Another Unclued MOT tester!
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Another Unclued MOT tester!
Customer of mine put his HDi W reg Xantia in for MOT...
Failed, firstly on ABD light, bit also a leaky rear valve, as were we've NEVER put any LHM in.
Oh and ALSO the suspension is too soft and DANGEROUS to be on the road..
Luckily my customer does know a bit and challenged the tester, with, "Do you actually know anything about the citroen suspension??? Its got comfort spheres on it!"
Testers reply, "Well no, Ive not have much at all to do with these! "
Customer reply, "Well how the F++++ can you comment on the system if you know F++++ all about them!, Im gonna put the car in else were and if it passes, report you to VOSA for not knowing enough on these, when theres F+++ all wrong with them!!"
I said to my customer! Well in there, Im glad you do know a little about them and how they should be! That put a smile on my face.
Im off there this after noon to check out the"Leaky" valve and see whats happening. Oh apparently, he also said the leaky valve can cause the brake pedal to go RIGHT TO THE FLOOR!!!! Eh wot!!
amazing!
Just some jolly reading for you to laugh at!
Regards
Paul
Failed, firstly on ABD light, bit also a leaky rear valve, as were we've NEVER put any LHM in.
Oh and ALSO the suspension is too soft and DANGEROUS to be on the road..
Luckily my customer does know a bit and challenged the tester, with, "Do you actually know anything about the citroen suspension??? Its got comfort spheres on it!"
Testers reply, "Well no, Ive not have much at all to do with these! "
Customer reply, "Well how the F++++ can you comment on the system if you know F++++ all about them!, Im gonna put the car in else were and if it passes, report you to VOSA for not knowing enough on these, when theres F+++ all wrong with them!!"
I said to my customer! Well in there, Im glad you do know a little about them and how they should be! That put a smile on my face.
Im off there this after noon to check out the"Leaky" valve and see whats happening. Oh apparently, he also said the leaky valve can cause the brake pedal to go RIGHT TO THE FLOOR!!!! Eh wot!!
amazing!
Just some jolly reading for you to laugh at!
Regards
Paul
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1994 XM 2.1 d auto
M reg Xm 2.1 td auto exclusive S2 269k and rising
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A very sad...
1994 XM 2.1 d auto
Some numpty mot testers out there! one to avoid by sounds of it.
Theres a few that are similar round here. One failed handbrake on bx by testing rear wheels
Even my local half decent mot station were scratching their heads at the hydraulic pipes under mine, not one of those citroens etc came out of their mouth
Theres a few that are similar round here. One failed handbrake on bx by testing rear wheels
Even my local half decent mot station were scratching their heads at the hydraulic pipes under mine, not one of those citroens etc came out of their mouth
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It's amazing. Just another example of the creeping mediocrity culture in this country today
No doubt the "leaky rear valve" is just a bit of excess lubricant on the height corrector - especially if you service it Paul!
In a (tiny) bit of defence of the MOT tester here, I guess it's not so often he sees any hydraulic Citroens these days and let's face it, they are totally unlike a conventional car in so many ways and if you don't know them, things like the suspension will appear soft and squidgy and not at all like the rock-hard eyeball-rattling suspension that seems the norm today.
Having gone through the rigours of all sorts of training, I know that if something in not on the "syllabus" then it won't be taught and I guess Citroen hydraulics are no longer on the MOT testers syllabus That's how it is today, sadly. Rote, rote and more rote to learn to pass an exam without actually leaning anything. No doubt MOT testers are trained on a bog-standard car with rock-hard suspension and utterly conventional in every other respect. These courses normally leave you about as qualified as a ball-point pen to to the job in the real world.
The fact is though that if the MOT tester does not understand Citroens then he should be upfront with the presenter and refuse to test it on the grounds that he is not qualified to do so.
I've had a tester fail one of mine through sheer ignorance. Same thing; "leaky rear valve".
My advice is to always check that an MOT tester is au-fait and if not, go elsewhere.
If the car passes at another station (after fixing the ABS) then I'm sure VOSA will be very interested...
No doubt the "leaky rear valve" is just a bit of excess lubricant on the height corrector - especially if you service it Paul!
In a (tiny) bit of defence of the MOT tester here, I guess it's not so often he sees any hydraulic Citroens these days and let's face it, they are totally unlike a conventional car in so many ways and if you don't know them, things like the suspension will appear soft and squidgy and not at all like the rock-hard eyeball-rattling suspension that seems the norm today.
Having gone through the rigours of all sorts of training, I know that if something in not on the "syllabus" then it won't be taught and I guess Citroen hydraulics are no longer on the MOT testers syllabus That's how it is today, sadly. Rote, rote and more rote to learn to pass an exam without actually leaning anything. No doubt MOT testers are trained on a bog-standard car with rock-hard suspension and utterly conventional in every other respect. These courses normally leave you about as qualified as a ball-point pen to to the job in the real world.
The fact is though that if the MOT tester does not understand Citroens then he should be upfront with the presenter and refuse to test it on the grounds that he is not qualified to do so.
I've had a tester fail one of mine through sheer ignorance. Same thing; "leaky rear valve".
My advice is to always check that an MOT tester is au-fait and if not, go elsewhere.
If the car passes at another station (after fixing the ABS) then I'm sure VOSA will be very interested...
Jim
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When I actually got to the car and read the Fail sheet, there was ALSO a comment: Lack of or No Servo Assistance onm brake pedal!
Ive written next to the comment: NO SERVO! POWER BRAKES!
Unfortunally Jim, the leak at the rear on the height corrector is just that, a leaky height corrector, the car has done 30k in the last ten months.. so its over to my place monday for a new height corrector..
Paul
Ive written next to the comment: NO SERVO! POWER BRAKES!
Unfortunally Jim, the leak at the rear on the height corrector is just that, a leaky height corrector, the car has done 30k in the last ten months.. so its over to my place monday for a new height corrector..
Paul
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I either use a local garage which almost understands Citroens, though they do curse at them all of the time and usually cant find simple things on them. The bonnet catch on the Xm for example. Though they are reasonable in their evaluation and im always there watching them incase they cant find anything, i dont trust garages!
Or i use a Citroen specialist, though this is not as local and they only do it when they can fit it in during the day, which means leaving the car and getting a lift back. So i usually go to the other garage.
I also use the local Ford dealer, though not for the Xms or C15.
Or i use a Citroen specialist, though this is not as local and they only do it when they can fit it in during the day, which means leaving the car and getting a lift back. So i usually go to the other garage.
I also use the local Ford dealer, though not for the Xms or C15.
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Yeah - still having a peep now & then. Like an old horse ...deian wrote:Mine should pass fine then... as my centre spheres are 'tired', and my top is done.
Anders, back so soon? lol
Not much to do any more having so many fully experienced home mechanics around on this forum.
Even pro's are trying to compete here these days
On the same time a strange and very nice feeling, that the forum has grown over my head since the early beginning.
Thats how it must be by the time though ...
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It's good to see you AndersAndersDK wrote: Not much to do any more having so many fully experienced home mechanics around on this forum.
Even pro's are trying to compete here these days
On the same time a strange and very nice feeling, that the forum has grown over my head since the early beginning.
Thats how it must be by the time though ...
I do understand what you mean though. I'm starting to find the same. I can only really comment on Xantia problems and the newer stuff (C5, HDi etc.) I do not have a clue...
Yes, it is good to see the forum going from strength to strength and new specialists arriving all the time
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I refer to the Xantia bonnet safety as the "G spot" when someone else is trying to pop its lid. A subtle inference like that goes over many peoples' heads, but quite a few women standing and watching have had a good laugh.Citroenmad wrote:I either use a local garage which almost understands Citroens, though they do curse at them all of the time and usually cant find simple things on them. The bonnet catch on the Xm for example...
I had cars fail for such things a slight crack on the number plate, or the sidelight bulbs are not the “proper bulbs” and these items were passed on re-test by another garage. I now avoid garages for MOTs. Instead I use testing stations run by local authorities or bus companies, they have no financial gain in failing the car.
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Mot Manual says:
5. At each comer of the vehicle, where practicable, push down (or pull down from beneath) and note the rebound of the body to determine if each shock absorber is producing a damping effect on the suspension.
and failure reason:
5. A shock absorber which has negligible damping effect
The only other test is:
5. At each corner of the vehicle, where practicable, push down (or pull down from underneath), and note the amount of suspension movement.
And fail:
5. No suspension movement
Note: Large vehicle suspensions can be difficult to move. Ensure there is a defect before rejection.
So provided the car comes back to normal height without bouncing, it should pass, regardless of how 'soft' the suspension is.
5. At each comer of the vehicle, where practicable, push down (or pull down from beneath) and note the rebound of the body to determine if each shock absorber is producing a damping effect on the suspension.
and failure reason:
5. A shock absorber which has negligible damping effect
The only other test is:
5. At each corner of the vehicle, where practicable, push down (or pull down from underneath), and note the amount of suspension movement.
And fail:
5. No suspension movement
Note: Large vehicle suspensions can be difficult to move. Ensure there is a defect before rejection.
So provided the car comes back to normal height without bouncing, it should pass, regardless of how 'soft' the suspension is.
Richard W