Xantia clutch cable
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Xantia clutch cable
The clip on the clutch pedal broke a couple of months ago & I replaced it. I think the reason it went it that the cable is starting to seize as the pedal is getting very heavy.
My local Citroen garage said I need a new clutch (£600+vat!!) but there is no sign of it slipping (100000 miles)
So question is are they right?
If not what is the best way to release the cable from the clip?
My local Citroen garage said I need a new clutch (£600+vat!!) but there is no sign of it slipping (100000 miles)
So question is are they right?
If not what is the best way to release the cable from the clip?
They could be right. Check this link
http://www.andyspares.com/discussionfor ... IC_ID=2300
http://www.andyspares.com/discussionfor ... IC_ID=2300
My clip broke the day we drove my new car (well, new to me) home from buying it. I didnt test drive the car before purchase for insurance reasons, but my Dad did, and didnt notice the clutch being that heavy.
Ever since I've driven it - the day the plastic clip was replaced onwards - the clutch has been very heavy and bites right at the top of its travel. It doesnt slip, and I've done 8000 miles since.
I've always assumed the clutch was just coming to the end of its life - I can find no record of this car ever having a replacement clutch, and it spend the first 90k of its life as a fleet car on the Motorway all the time (There are gaps of as little as two weeks between each 6k service in the history!). Am I correct in thinking it just needs a new clutch and will eventually go, or is there another reason why it could be heavy/have not much travel?
Ever since I've driven it - the day the plastic clip was replaced onwards - the clutch has been very heavy and bites right at the top of its travel. It doesnt slip, and I've done 8000 miles since.
I've always assumed the clutch was just coming to the end of its life - I can find no record of this car ever having a replacement clutch, and it spend the first 90k of its life as a fleet car on the Motorway all the time (There are gaps of as little as two weeks between each 6k service in the history!). Am I correct in thinking it just needs a new clutch and will eventually go, or is there another reason why it could be heavy/have not much travel?
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I did read somewhere that the clip is made of plastic deliberately so that it breaks when the clutch gets worn - rather than causing more severe damage to the clutch itself. If it gets heavier that is reckoned to be a sign that it's on its way out.
Having said that,I bought my Xantia new in 1993, ran it for 9 years / 105,000 miles and never replaced clip or clutch!I can't say I was aware of it getting heavier either.
Graeme
Having said that,I bought my Xantia new in 1993, ran it for 9 years / 105,000 miles and never replaced clip or clutch!I can't say I was aware of it getting heavier either.
Graeme
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<<As to clutch cost £600+vat from Citroen, £380+vat from local citroen specialist. £250 inc vat 2yr warrenty from Mr Clutch!>>
I changed my xantia clutch (190,000 miles so not bad life from the old one) 2 weeks ago and I would gladly have paid £250 to have it done for me (parts cost £100). Actually by the time I finished the main dealer price was looking attractive
The clip went shortly after I bought it 5 years ago but even when the clutch was slipping recently the pedal didn't feel heavy.
mipster
I changed my xantia clutch (190,000 miles so not bad life from the old one) 2 weeks ago and I would gladly have paid £250 to have it done for me (parts cost £100). Actually by the time I finished the main dealer price was looking attractive
The clip went shortly after I bought it 5 years ago but even when the clutch was slipping recently the pedal didn't feel heavy.
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I haven't done the job, but I think you need to take the pedal off to release the clip. You can then hold the cable with long pliers and push the pedal back up the cable. Might be wrong, what does the Haynes book of lies say?
Ref the heavy clutch - cable is a possibility, but clutch is more likely - as it wears the spring fingers sit further out, which alters the leverage and makes the clutch heavy.
The one on my 95 TD at 82k is very light, but still bites quite high up the travel. My BX TD had 136k on when I flogged it, and the clutch was very heavy...
Richard
I haven't done the job, but I think you need to take the pedal off to release the clip. You can then hold the cable with long pliers and push the pedal back up the cable. Might be wrong, what does the Haynes book of lies say?
Ref the heavy clutch - cable is a possibility, but clutch is more likely - as it wears the spring fingers sit further out, which alters the leverage and makes the clutch heavy.
The one on my 95 TD at 82k is very light, but still bites quite high up the travel. My BX TD had 136k on when I flogged it, and the clutch was very heavy...
Richard
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Ref the link Alexx posted - did Jon ever get anywhere with the metal replacement clips? I suspect it's the same people who supplied mine for the throttle, as they're just down the road from Andyspares.
I'd be wary of taking a car to Mr Clutch - they're a franchise so unless you know someone who's used your local one I wouldn't risk it! I learnt to drive in a Nissan Micra belonging to my parents (the shame of it!) and after my sister had learnt clutch 'control' it needed a new one.
It went in to Mr Clutch and came out juddering like crazy - same again when it went back a 2nd time (don't think they actually did anything to it). At the 3rd attempt they managed to sort it, but when we went to collect it the car was missing - manager turned up shortly after having used it to collect a portable heater for the workshop and it was the only hatchback in the workshop!!!! Hadn't bothered to cover the back or anything!
It was no great surprise the clutch slipped - they handled clutch plates with fingers coated in oil!
Obviously this is only my opinion (based on personal experience) so don't shoot the messenger and don't hold Andyspares responsible for me posting
Basically, give a local Citroen specialist from £'s.
Adrian
I'd be wary of taking a car to Mr Clutch - they're a franchise so unless you know someone who's used your local one I wouldn't risk it! I learnt to drive in a Nissan Micra belonging to my parents (the shame of it!) and after my sister had learnt clutch 'control' it needed a new one.
It went in to Mr Clutch and came out juddering like crazy - same again when it went back a 2nd time (don't think they actually did anything to it). At the 3rd attempt they managed to sort it, but when we went to collect it the car was missing - manager turned up shortly after having used it to collect a portable heater for the workshop and it was the only hatchback in the workshop!!!! Hadn't bothered to cover the back or anything!
It was no great surprise the clutch slipped - they handled clutch plates with fingers coated in oil!
Obviously this is only my opinion (based on personal experience) so don't shoot the messenger and don't hold Andyspares responsible for me posting
Basically, give a local Citroen specialist from £'s.
Adrian
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Sounds like the prongs of the clip are too far apart, the clip doesn't want to rattle about when its on the plastic bit with no cable attached, if it does, pull it off and carefully close them up a little with a pair of pliers.
Also look at the base of the cable nipple, the area that bears against the matal clip should be flat if its worn or tapered to any degree then there's nothing for it but another cable, and for the sake of a few quid I'd bang a fresh clip on anyway, don't put any grease or other lubricant on the nipple/clip.
Dave
Also look at the base of the cable nipple, the area that bears against the matal clip should be flat if its worn or tapered to any degree then there's nothing for it but another cable, and for the sake of a few quid I'd bang a fresh clip on anyway, don't put any grease or other lubricant on the nipple/clip.
Dave