Xantia driving lights
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Xantia driving lights
a friends 1995 Citroen Xantia has lost all driving lights front and rear
indictors still work and brake lights too
basically all the lights on the lerf side stalk are lost bit still has its indicators
a previous owner has done some rewiring and taken a power feed from the interior fuse box and spliced it to one of the pink wires into the stalk
the inline fuse in this additional wiring has melted and all lights are lost
should all the lights be relying on 1 power feed?
any help would be great as car is off the road
to recap
one power feed to the plug on the stalk apperars to power /control all lights is that right
indictors still work and brake lights too
basically all the lights on the lerf side stalk are lost bit still has its indicators
a previous owner has done some rewiring and taken a power feed from the interior fuse box and spliced it to one of the pink wires into the stalk
the inline fuse in this additional wiring has melted and all lights are lost
should all the lights be relying on 1 power feed?
any help would be great as car is off the road
to recap
one power feed to the plug on the stalk apperars to power /control all lights is that right
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Darrrgh, welcome to the forum
Give me the exact model of Xantia and I'll post up the applicable factory wiring diagrams for you. This at least will help you to put the bodge right and work out what's gone wrong.
Sounds a bit nasty at first glance. I dispair of people who try to make an electrical problem "right" by bodging
Hopefully it'll not be too bad to resolve.
Give me the exact model of Xantia and I'll post up the applicable factory wiring diagrams for you. This at least will help you to put the bodge right and work out what's gone wrong.
Sounds a bit nasty at first glance. I dispair of people who try to make an electrical problem "right" by bodging
Hopefully it'll not be too bad to resolve.
Jim
Runner, cyclist, time triallist, duathlete, Citroen AX fan and the CCC Citroenian 'From A to Z' Columnist...
Runner, cyclist, time triallist, duathlete, Citroen AX fan and the CCC Citroenian 'From A to Z' Columnist...
oh i shoud make clear
the pink wire which is spliced at the stalk
when this is connect to the additional wire from the interior fuse box
all lights work
but when heads are turned on it will blow an additional 10 amp inline fuse fitted to the additional wire( the one from internal fuse box to pink wire at the stalk)
the pink wire which is spliced at the stalk
when this is connect to the additional wire from the interior fuse box
all lights work
but when heads are turned on it will blow an additional 10 amp inline fuse fitted to the additional wire( the one from internal fuse box to pink wire at the stalk)
Hi Darragh -
Each headlamp bulb consumes 55watts at approx 13.3V (there is always some voltage loss from battery to the lamp sockets).
According to ohms law this converts to 4.15Amps - each bulb.
In total 8.3Amps.
Add to this the Amperage consumed by the side/tail lights, and you have well and truly exceeded the rated 10Amp fuse.
I'd say you should replace that in-line fuse with one rated at 20Amp or 25Amp, and then your headlights troubles are gone.
It will be fully safe to "uprate" this fuse.
The in-line fuse is there to protect against fire should a gross-fault occur in the modified wiring to the stalk switch, as the wire leading up to the fuse is DIRECTLY connected to the battery.
The previous owner who did this modifications at least had a good thought on safety 8)
PS : Haynes Xantia manual has good schematics on all standard electric equipment - including the lights circuit.
But it does take some time to read off the schematic how things are made up in the car ...
To name the first oddity, all wirings are identified by numbers printed on each wire, NOT the wire base colour ...
Each headlamp bulb consumes 55watts at approx 13.3V (there is always some voltage loss from battery to the lamp sockets).
According to ohms law this converts to 4.15Amps - each bulb.
In total 8.3Amps.
Add to this the Amperage consumed by the side/tail lights, and you have well and truly exceeded the rated 10Amp fuse.
I'd say you should replace that in-line fuse with one rated at 20Amp or 25Amp, and then your headlights troubles are gone.
It will be fully safe to "uprate" this fuse.
The in-line fuse is there to protect against fire should a gross-fault occur in the modified wiring to the stalk switch, as the wire leading up to the fuse is DIRECTLY connected to the battery.
The previous owner who did this modifications at least had a good thought on safety 8)
PS : Haynes Xantia manual has good schematics on all standard electric equipment - including the lights circuit.
But it does take some time to read off the schematic how things are made up in the car ...
To name the first oddity, all wirings are identified by numbers printed on each wire, NOT the wire base colour ...
Anders (DK) - '90 BX16Image
Hi again darragh -
I have the schematics as well.
But I'll let Jim finish it off ...
(too many cooks etc. ...)
No you guessed right its not the original layout.
The original layout have 2 separate wires all the way from the fuse/junction box (at battery in engine bay).
One wire feeds the main lights, another wire feeds the dipped/side/tail/interior lights on the stalk switch.
This is more or less the "defacto" standard system layout found on any car, up to the beginning of computerised cars.
There are no fuses found in the original circuit feeds from battery to the stalk switch. I bet this has made the previous owner a bit anxious, as he might have had a small meltdown, given the fact your wiring is no longer the original system.
Hence the added in-line fuse.
Instead you find by a closer look, that each headlight bulb/filament have its own fuse - located in afore mentioned fusebox. This saves you from disasters, if a minor incident smashes a headlamp and then shortcircuits the bulb wiring ...
So there ARE in fact factory fuses in the lights circuits
I have the schematics as well.
But I'll let Jim finish it off ...
(too many cooks etc. ...)
No you guessed right its not the original layout.
The original layout have 2 separate wires all the way from the fuse/junction box (at battery in engine bay).
One wire feeds the main lights, another wire feeds the dipped/side/tail/interior lights on the stalk switch.
This is more or less the "defacto" standard system layout found on any car, up to the beginning of computerised cars.
There are no fuses found in the original circuit feeds from battery to the stalk switch. I bet this has made the previous owner a bit anxious, as he might have had a small meltdown, given the fact your wiring is no longer the original system.
Hence the added in-line fuse.
Instead you find by a closer look, that each headlight bulb/filament have its own fuse - located in afore mentioned fusebox. This saves you from disasters, if a minor incident smashes a headlamp and then shortcircuits the bulb wiring ...
So there ARE in fact factory fuses in the lights circuits
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Anders (DK) - '90 BX16Image
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Here are the diagrams:
The first one is the schematic circuit:
Circuit
This is the component location diagram:
Locations
And this one is the loom diagram:
Loom
Using the three diagrams, you can see where each bit is and how the looms connect togehter.
The four digit item numbers can be found in the BoL.
Sorry for the delay in posting these diagrams
The first one is the schematic circuit:
Circuit
This is the component location diagram:
Locations
And this one is the loom diagram:
Loom
Using the three diagrams, you can see where each bit is and how the looms connect togehter.
The four digit item numbers can be found in the BoL.
Sorry for the delay in posting these diagrams
Jim
Runner, cyclist, time triallist, duathlete, Citroen AX fan and the CCC Citroenian 'From A to Z' Columnist...
Runner, cyclist, time triallist, duathlete, Citroen AX fan and the CCC Citroenian 'From A to Z' Columnist...
cool getting places with this now
can you tell me what b002 is
http://www.eastment.net/xanwd/1995hlloc.jpg
its clear to see in this pic at the bottom center box
thanks Darragh
can you tell me what b002 is
http://www.eastment.net/xanwd/1995hlloc.jpg
its clear to see in this pic at the bottom center box
thanks Darragh
Last edited by darragh on 04 Dec 2008, 21:57, edited 1 time in total.