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picasso has 4 garages baffled

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My wifes citroen picasso has the mechanics and dealers baffled it has been back to various garages 4 times a total of about 16 visits we went to pick it up earlier today it is fixedthe garage said . About five minutes after leaving the grage the engine management light came on. The list of replacemants is as follows new glow plugs new clutch switch new pump new valves.and still the same problem persists. This garage had it for a week and a mechanic ran it everywhere with the engine cover off. h called and said the reapir as a glow plug and to pick it up he told us he had driven it for an hour and that there was no problem. The only difference between him and us using it is the engine cover could this be the problem. The garage connets the diagnostic machine up and there is no errors or problems. Does any 1 have any idea what it could be it is a 2 litre diesel 04 poicasso
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Post by andmcit »

What exactly is the problem you're having with the car apart from the
management light? Is there any poor running or noticable degradation
in performance or economy?

The warning light is the car telling you it has encountered a problem that
may literally have been a momentary blip though the light will remain lit.
The garages must have some incling what the system has to say for itself
but unfortunately, many garages seem to use your bank balance as a fund
for training or fact finding for their mechanics! If you're agrieved and feel
you're getting nowhere fast expensively, whilst I've never personally had
call to do so, Citroen Uk do have a very good technical help department
based at Slough that may at least offer constructive help and suggestions.

I'd imagine the engine 'beautification' as it's called by car manufacturers
or cover by you or I, has no influence on the running of the car unless it is
somehow affecting cooling or the loom's wires/cables routing security!

The more high tech newer models get, the more neurotic the hypocondriac
tendencies seem to get!

Andrew
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Post by deian »

i asssume the car still works when the light comes on, and continues working, do you think you may be getting low quality diesel somewhere?

i think a sensor somewhere can pick up on dodgy diesel

as for the replacements, hope you didn't buy them, because clearly these new items haven't cleared the problem therefore are un-needed... for the glow plugs to be needed the car should have trouble "starting" only, new pump? a hdi diesel pump, (how much was that?), new valves? which ones, inside the engine (please say no!) and a clutch switch? something sounds dodgy somewhere

can you tell us more details?
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Post by citronut »

were abouts do you live as i have what is now a LEXIA 2, thanks to Jim(citrojim), and i would like some experiance on useing it, so maybe you car would be a likely candidate,

im not saying im offering this service for free, but i certainly wont charge much whilst im learnning at customers expence

regards malcolm
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Post by wheeler »

I would say check the engine ECU/connectors for water in them but i would imagine this has already been checked by the dealers :?:
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The garages that we have taken them to all specialise in diesel cars and 2 are main dealers the car is currently there again the first problem that started it all was loss of power and loads of smoke which the car does not do since new parts were installed the car runs extremly well it is just the light does not come on straight away it is normally when the cr is in transit. and then stays on i know the do not come on for nothing the garages are out of ideas now when the computer is connected it shows no fault at all! yet the dashlight is still on and it pings.

mechanic was to get the car crushed well he said that and a lot of other words i am to pollite to use.

we are in north suffolk if anyone else has any ideas please let me know?
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Post by wheeler »

Did you check the ECU connectors ?
If the engine management light is on with no faults recorded that suggests either a faulty instrument panel (wouldnt be the first) or a software problem with the ECU, has the ECU been downloaded with the latest software ?
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Hi all back in another garage

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This is now getting silly back a t a main dealer engine management light still on but now no fault at all on the computer system. They do not have a clue. They have checked ecu and about 500 possible things and they have not got a clue they have created faults cleared them and the light has gone off and drove a mile and its pinged back on they a re stumped any more ideas. they going to update or do something with the software as a last resort
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Post by wheeler »

Last resort ? a software update should have been 1st port of call.
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Post by deian »

OK then, lets get back to the beginning:

(besides the ecu light on the dash)...

What exactly are the symptoms and under what conditions (environmental/mechanical) do they happen?

It could be a fault in the dash if the running of the car isn't faulty (i.e hesitation, clouds of smoke, cutting out, etc). You could be chasing ghosts if it's just a dodgy connection on ecu fault the bulb/circuit in the dash area.
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Post by ACTIVE8 »

deian wrote:OK then, lets get back to the beginning:

(besides the ecu light on the dash)...

What exactly are the symptoms and under what conditions (environmental/mechanical) do they happen?

It could be a fault in the dash if the running of the car isn't faulty (i.e hesitation, clouds of smoke, cutting out, etc). You could be chasing ghosts if it's just a dodgy connection on ecu fault the bulb/circuit in the dash area.
I agree more detailed info is required, on the symptoms.
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Fina;lly had a call stating is the egr valve that has gone the car initally had a preformance issue but that stopped there is now no preformance issue at all but the garage say this is the fault does anyone agree. Initally the car was slow to accelarate and was pumping out smoke but that was corected now the garage has gone in and fouind the egr valve is faulty
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Post by mooseshaver »

EGR valves do seem to go faulty in HDi engines. My C3 had issues of sudden powerloss that would last for a while and then sometimes recover, or engine light come on with power loss untill it was switched off.
I know they were repalced on mine a couple of times, but that did not actually cure the fault.
I traded it in in the end.
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Post by MikeT »

I hate the EGR! They should never have been invented let alone fitted IMO. If possible, I would advise you not get yours replaced but to have it disabled, blocked, removed, whatever is needed to stop it gunking up the induction. Some cars will log and flag a fault but people seem happy to tolerate this for the benefits it offers.
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Benefits?
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