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steelcityuk wrote:The irony of all this is beyond belief. Owners leaking greenhouse gases into the atmosphere because their AC system is faulty. Bill Hicks couldn't have wrote a better sketch.

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Idling my engine for one minute will produce more greenhouse gas than any tiny weep in my air conditioning over 12 montha, and besides, i use svo which offsets to some degree my carbon footprint, and i recycle the odd bit of cardboard, plus use recycled toilet paper.
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The instructions for an apparently similar guage are at: http://www.id-usa.com/pdf/GBM-2CS_E.pdf

Unless the system is completely empty, the readings are only useful when the compressor is running, so don't worry about the high reading when the engine is stopped.

This system still has no way of telling how much gas there is in the system to begin with, so you can't tell how much gas should be added. Just about any reading that you could get on the guage could be caused by some other condition than gas level.

The only good thing is that the system has an over-pressure cutout switch, so you are unlikely to break anything expensive.
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DickieG wrote:The gauge you have there connects to the suction/vacuum :-s side of the system so when you connect it up it will read a higher pressure than when the engine is running. This is normal, but the readings you have suggest the system is low on gas so a recharge is required to get it working correctly.
Thanks for that....so I need a pressure of say 35 when the compressor is running.

I asked my mate what reading he had got from the gauge when he re-gassed his AC with the can....he reckons the needle was in the green & he topped it up till it was in the blue....he didn’t mention the needle dropping when the compressor was in & going up when it wasn’t :roll:
xantia_v6 wrote:The instructions for an apparently similar guage are at: http://www.id-usa.com/pdf/GBM-2CS_E.pdf

Unless the system is completely empty, the readings are only useful when the compressor is running, so don't worry about the high reading when the engine is stopped......

The only good thing is that the system has an over-pressure cutout switch, so you are unlikely to break anything expensive.
Thanks for that....I may as well use the gas that's left in the refill can to see if I can get a result then.
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I'm sure you're absolutely right.

Obviously using SVO isn't increasing food prices or leading to the slash and burn of rain forests so it's carbon neutral. Wow the odd bit of cardboard!

Obviously R134A isn't as strong a greenhouse gas as CO2....

Absolutely astounding!

With attitudes like this I need to get a life and leave the forums.

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steelcityuk wrote:I'm sure you're absolutely right.

Obviously using SVO isn't increasing food prices or leading to the slash and burn of rain forests so it's carbon neutral. Wow the odd bit of cardboard!

Obviously R134A isn't as strong a greenhouse gas as CO2....

Absolutely astounding!

With attitudes like this I need to get a life and leave the forums.

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I think you need to lighten up a bit, nothing i have added about my own car has suggested there is a leak, the car is 10 years old and A/C system eventually lose their performance over time.

You failed to detect my sarcasm which is a shame, i was talking bollocks about the cardboard but i do firmly believe me using 10 litres of SVO a week is doing SFA to the cost of our food and the destruction of our rainforests but you can hold me partly responsible if you like.

Yes i understand your point and concern about the planet but we are all doomed anyway regardless of what happens to the enviroment, the damage has already been done.
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steelcityuk wrote:The irony of all this is beyond belief. Owners leaking greenhouse gases into the atmosphere because their AC system is faulty. Bill Hicks couldn't have wrote a better sketch.
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“Greenhouse gasses”.....“Carbon Footprint”.....“Carbon Neutral”.....these are nothing more than terms invented by politicians to tax you, make no mistake.
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If they were to stop chopping down rain forests to provide land for breeding burger cows and growing biofuels then we'd all be saved. But it ain't gonna happen because the world is run on greed.

A herd of cattle produce more green house gas than my car, so tax the burgers I say and leave the petrol alone.
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This is my last word on this thread. I can see it's pointless trying to reason with some.

>>A herd of cattle produce more green house gas than my car, so tax the burgers I say and leave the petrol alone.

So are there more cattle or cars in the world? Cows emit mainly methane, how many different pollutants to cars emit?

>>the world is run on greed.

Yep it is but fueling demand ain't going to help.

>>“Greenhouse gasses”.....“Carbon Footprint”.....“Carbon Neutral”.....these are nothing more than terms invented by politicians to tax you, make no mistake.

Why pollute more than you have to? Just because you can doesn't mean you should. As for made up, I don't think so. Maybe a good evaluation of the evidence and not media/polictical hype would be an eye opener.

>> You failed to detect my sarcasm which is a shame, i was talking bollocks about the cardboard but i do firmly believe me using 10 litres of SVO a week is doing SFA to the cost of our food and the destruction of our rainforests but you can hold me partly responsible if you like.

OK I did get your sarcasm, shame you didn't get mine. So if every diesel that could run SVO started using 10 Litres a week how much would that amount to? If we are already done for why bother with anything, do you have kids, if so what about them?

Purely selfish and stupid.
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steelcityuk wrote: ....Why pollute more than you have to?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I'm being taxed for it so why not....the Government of this country seem to think taxing people (Money) is the answer to the problem & we are all taught not to waste money so I'm doing them a favour!
(I know you will think that the above answer is very silly but it's no sillier than your believe all they tell you approach)
Maybe a good evaluation of the evidence and not media/polictical hype would be an eye opener.
There is no evidence...there has been countless studies & not one of them so far have actually found the hole in the Ozone layer & if they did manage to find it (unlikely) how are they going to know what caused it!

You are playing their game & even trying to enforce it for them....looking out not to pollute the World like you are being told....meanwhile Multi national companies are having redundant supertankers cut up on a beach in Pakistan or somewhere because the environmental issues of disposing of them wouldn't be allowed anywhere else...but because the place where they are being dismantled has no environmental rules that make it ok.

It's only about Money....nothing else.

If you want to see the ridiculously stupid lengths that the Government / Councils will go to, to promote “Carbon offsetting" just have a look at this....

The link below is to a BBC news report on how last years (2007) Sunderland air show was a "Carbon neutral" event....just listen to the stupidity of what the council spokesman says (at 53 seconds)....now can you honestly tell me that you believe that rubbish?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/chec ... m=1&bbwm=1

The clip above is taken from here:
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I wonder what they are going to do to offset the carbon emissions from the War in Iraq :roll:
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There is plenty of water, food, oil and gas. Any shortages are the responsibility of the government(s) and the greedy capitalist(s) that control supply for profit. It is wholly wrong to blame the consumer IMO. After all, aren't we all parasites by nature?

If you want to lay blame, it should be squarely at the feet of our leaders not our neighbours.
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Any way....

Topped the gas up on the Xsara with the remainder of the gas in the can from my mate (approx 1/2 a can) & the reading on the gauge hasn't really changed that much
When the compressor is running the gauge reads about 30 & when it's not it's 55....however the air coming from the vents does feel colder than it did.
The compressor still only stays engaged for about 10 seconds at a time as it did before.

If the system is not low on gas what would cause the compressor to only engage for short bursts?....Any ideas :?:
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Post by Stempy »

I had a 1.9TD Xantia a few years back which did the same thing, it was cured by having the system professionally recharged, not much help with regard to how the thing works, but it can be fixed.

And I reckon there are more cows than cars, but I'm not gonna count them :roll:
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uncle buck wrote:Topped the gas up on the Xsara with the remainder of the gas in the can from my mate (approx 1/2 a can) & the reading on the gauge hasn't really changed that much
When the compressor is running the gauge reads about 30 & when it's not it's 55....however the air coming from the vents does feel colder than it did.
The compressor still only stays engaged for about 10 seconds at a time as it did before.

If the system is not low on gas what would cause the compressor to only engage for short bursts?....Any ideas :?:
I think that it takes two of those cans to refill a system from empty (makes Kwik Fits offer good value).
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“Greenhouse gasses”.....“Carbon Footprint”.....“Carbon Neutral”.....these are nothing more than terms invented by politicians to tax you, make no mistake
Bang on the Buck :o You could add to the list.

Dope smoking Hippie Vegetatian Tree Huggers. or

Failed Politicians who reduce the Nobel Prize to the level of The Brit Awards :o

You be careful all you guys with your little squirts of canister gas...........meanwhile 747s parade the skies spewing Methanol miles into the atmosphere. I don`t fly myself........my arms get sore :lol:

Always love that one about "our childrens future". What about people who don`t have children? :lol: Since the Industrial Revolution al our childrens futures have got better and better............now they tell us that could all change :cry:

The main energy source affecting this planet that doesn`t involve money is The Sun. Everything else is a commodity to be traded.

Talkiing of the Sun.....whats them little children going to do as that`s getting closer every year. I suppose Man will find a way of stopping that ........he seems to think that he can control everything else? What about increasing taxes?.

How many miles per roll are you getting on the recycled toilet paper? :lol:

It also strike me that some guys on the forum ARE thinking of their childrens future . That`s why they are trying to save a few quid by fixing their own cars and aircon etc to provide a vehicle for a family to run about in..............I know I did when my kids were young.
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lexi wrote:
It also strike me that some guys on the forum ARE thinking of their childrens future . That`s why they are trying to save a few quid by fixing their own cars and aircon etc to provide a vehicle for a family to run about in..............I know I did when my kids were young.
Thank you! Quite right too, as the climate gets warmer travel epecially in the summer can become uncomfortable especially for young babies that whinge at the slightest thing.

I did find out that 1 gram of R134a is 1400 times more dangerous than CO2 so i will exercise caution in the future if i have to top up, and if i were in the financial position, get a specialist to carry out the job for me.

I now have a large amount of WVO heading my way and will switch to that once i have finished setting up everything, further reducing my dependance of fossil fuel and stress on the food chain, whislt saving me those vital £'s. I'm certainly doing something for the enviroment rather than whinging at other people that recite what they have seen on the internet or some bloke in the pub.

I drive at 60-65mph instead of 75mph on the motorway like everyone else, accelerate gently and keep my tyre pressures pumped up, turn the A/C turned off when not needed, all helping save costs whilst helping the enviroment, so in future when you start you attack calling everyone idiots for using top up cans and killing us all, spare a thought for those that do actually bother trying.
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