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Hi All,
Will the pollen filter if blocked, stop the heater fan from working. Or is it that old chestnut, the ign switch. Car is Xantia2 1999 HDi 90.
Also, someome mentioned rams at rear suspension. Where ??. Is that the bit of suspension that the spheres screw onto ?
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Hi All,
Forgot to say that LHM oil level is correct.
THere is a hesitancy when turning steering wheel side to side, as if power steering is failing. Car goes up and down well,with hardly a tick from regulator/pump.
Thanks
Greg

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Post by AndersDK »

A blocked pollen filter will restrict the airflow, but wont stop the fan motor. I suspect its about the right time (7 years) that the old chestnut shows its nasty face.

Rams = ram cylinders = power cylinders = hydraulic or pneumatic operated cylinders = suspension cylinders.

Hesitating powersteering could be the pump drivebelt slipping. If not replaced recently it may simply be worn out. Remember its got to be scaringly tight.
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Hi Anders,
I had a good look at sons new car today. The hesitant steering seems to be ok now. I found a return pipe had come off the power ram. It may have been sucking in air. Drive belt is good, and tight as hell.
The power cylinders at rear have all dry pipe connections, but there is a slight LHM leak from over the top of them. It must be from a return pipe, other wise it would be pumping out like mad. Sadly torch gave out and I couldn`t find my lead light, so will have to look again.
Can you get a new bottom for ignition switch, the electrical bit, without buying the whole switch ??. I did the brake mod for him as well.
Tthanks for your time,
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The ignition switch is usually still good to operate a relay to supply the fan motor current:

http://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/v ... hp?t=17322

Some take the new supply from the cigarette lighter, but the relay must still be fitted to prevent the motor from being supplied when the key is out.
That's if you trust the fag lighter wire and fuse to operate the fan.
The owner's book says 30 Amps fuse for the blower motor, and 20 A for the fag lighter.
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Hi,
Just been outside to check on a few things.
1st. Cooling fans do not start when air con switched on
2nd. No sound when aircon switched on-clutch kicking in
3rd. No heater fans at all
4th. I haven`t heard the cooling fans kick in --despite having engine ticking over for a good while--temp only reached 85%c---I must get to hear them going , even if aircon is naff.
I have checked fuses, can`t see if aircon is gassed or not. They have certainly hung some more gear around this engine bay--just right to be able to NOT get at anything.
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Post by deian »

Do some fast idling (2000rpm) until the temp gauge goes over quite a bit over 90oC, my fans come on when the needle is between 1/2 way and 3/4 of the gauge, of course if they fail to come on the stop the engine, don't let it overheat yea. And just to confirm, my fans do come on when air con is on.
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Hi All,
Just gone outside to check if the cooling fans on my VSX go on when air con turned on. They don`t. I know fans are ok, because I heard them cut in the other day.
I am not very good at all with electrics--can`t see the current approaching-till it gives you a belt, lol.
Where would I find the main termial block from heater motor-on nearside of car or offside. I will set to with a battery and leads to see if fans work with outside power source.
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I believe that the a/c will not operate if the heater blower doesn't work and if the heater blower don't work then the a/c won't work and thefore the cooling fans won't work when you turn the a/c on. :(
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Hi f00lzz,
That sounds about right. :(
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I'm currently having a problem myself with cooling fans so I have picked up a little knowledge on the way... cooling fans will/should cut in at 95c. I believe that the Xant 2 had been modified re: ign switch/blower mtr. Have you checked the fuses???
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Pictures of the fan motor area above the passenger floor space:

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The pictures are from a right hand drive that I have turned around.
The thick red wire is the supply, and thick black is the earth.
The 2 thin wires are the electronic speed control, and have to stay connected, with the fan speed selector set to some speed to operate, and with the engine running.
With the engine off, the fan motor will not spin with a supply only.
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Post by simonelsey »

My xsara had the blower fan stopped . Removed fan cleaned worked on full nothing else . Turnt out Pollen filter was blocked replaced good as gold now.

So on xsaras having a blocked pollen filter does stop the blower fan .

Could be the same on xantias
2.0 hdi xsara estate been a pain but starting to look like a good buy
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Hi All,
Pulled pollen filter out tonight on Xant---well blocked. Still NO fan.
By 1999 you would have thought the bloody frogs would have sorted out this problem-instead of which they go on hanging meaningless crap on the cars. Short of hitting the car with a 4lb lump hammer, the fan still won`t go. Totally dead. Aircon clutch not heard. ALL fuses checked. Tugged at all the wiring I could see near heater. Zilch.
I can`t get at drivers side to look at ign switch till weekend. Will have to pull radio out to see behind heater cables, to check if wires/plug has dropped off. I don`t care if air con ever goes again, not necessary in this country, just need the fans for heating and demisting. I am not electrically minded, so if someone can tell me if you can buy the switch part at bottom of ignition switch on it`s own, I will do that. Sodding french.
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Post by f00lzz »

Gregg1100 wrote:Hi All,
Pulled pollen filter out tonight on Xant---well blocked. Greg
How the hell did you get the filter out.... i can't get that cover to slide no way... i must be doing it wrong :oops:
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