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Are the rumours true?

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That under no circumstances should I buy a Scenic 1.9 dCi because the engine is one big PHAIL
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citroenesque wrote:That under no circumstances should I buy a Scenic 1.9 dCi because the engine is one big PHAIL
correct!

And Espaces in decent nick with the not much better 2.2dci are rarer than, well, a decent Renault diesel engine ...
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Even my vans 2.5DCI is a liability.

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Yes your right, its a shame as its actually a great engine when it works.

There is a good Renault forum around which lists issues with them, the LagunaII section is full of issues with the 1.9DCi.

The gearboxes can crunch and need replacing, the turbo can blow, many report EGR problems but they can go through engines. Im sure when I was looking engine replacements were anywhere from 30K miles upwards ...

I knew someone with a 2004 1.9DCi Megane hatch, it got to 105K miles, then the engine developed a serious knock. It was stripped, one of the main bearings had burnt and worn out. With the damage caused a replacement engine seemed the best option. It was replaced with a second hand engine, which when fitted, had the same fault. Again it was stripped and the same fault was found.

We had a 1.9DCi ScenicII a few years ago, we bought it at a year old and sold it at 3 years old - not wanting to own it out of warranty. It was a really nice car though, just slightly ruined by its reliability reputation and issues we had with it.

We didnt have any engine problems, but with 22K miles the 6 speed box started to crunch - took it back to Renault who said its a common problem but is not bad enough to change yet! At around 20K miles the clutch started to make a loud whirring noise. Rear tyres (Michelins) lasted only 20K as they toe in at the rear and scrub off tyres, they also jump sideways on individual bumps as a result.

AVOID the 1.9!

I believe the 1.5DCi is slightly more reliable.

Or, depending on how big a car you need, the C8/807 would be something to look at. Or there are the Sharan/Alhambra MPVs, which are great.

With the ScenicII being one of the first longer small MPVs with 7 seats it does give good value for money now. There is a 2004 1.9DCi Grand Scenic Dynamique just around the corner from me for £4000 - seems like a bargain.

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I thought the usual fault with these was that they ran on their own engine oil all the way to destruction.
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i think a certain problem exists where the sump slowly fills with diesel until its too full and away she goes, cant remember what causes it though.

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Post by citroenesque »

Well the 1.9dCi does appear, as I suspected, to be a pile of crap.

What about the earlier non-common rail DT?
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as I suspected, to be a pile of crap.
Are you quoting the original press release there phil or is this pure speculation :lol:

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Post by Citroenmad »

Deanxm wrote:
as I suspected, to be a pile of crap.
Are you quoting the original press release there phil or is this pure speculation :lol:

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Its direct from Renault that statement, is it not? :roll:

When we had sold off all three of our 'problematic' Renaults, the Service Manager who had been dealing with our many complains actually admitted that not one car they offered new did not have design faults! (this was in 2006/7)

I can think of many, though, I wont list them :lol:
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Citroenmad wrote:When we had sold off all three of our 'problematic' Renaults, the Service Manager who had been dealing with our many complains actually admitted that not one car they offered new did not have design faults! (this was in 2006/7)
Our Citroens aren't without their design faults, rear brake callipers and strut tops spring to mind!
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Kowalski wrote:
Citroenmad wrote:When we had sold off all three of our 'problematic' Renaults, the Service Manager who had been dealing with our many complains actually admitted that not one car they offered new did not have design faults! (this was in 2006/7)
Our Citroëns aren't without their design faults, rear brake callipers and strut tops spring to mind!
I would never say they are, but those you have mentioned only arise once the cars starts getting older, so some thing are to be expected. With Renaults, the designed in issues often show themselves while still within warranty, which is why ours was sold before the warranty was out or just after.

The RX4 Scenic we had, Renault did not do anything with the brake vacuum on the petrol engined ones. Diesels had a differen vacuum which wokred as normal. But the brakes on the petrol, like we had, were seriously dangerous. Fine for every day driving, but come to do an amergancy stop and it had nothing more to give. The brake pedal went down to a metalic stop and could not be pressed any more. We were almost involved in two accidents due to it, one when a car pulled out in front, the Scenic stopped but not nearly quikcly enough and the second time it sailed through a set of traffic lights on red, despite having the brakes fully applied. The day after it was traded in for a Megane II.

The brakes almost failed the MOT test, it went back to Renault, had new discs and pads and a full inspection, but it was no better. We tried a few, even ones we saw driving around we asked the owner and drove a few too. The petrols were all the same.

Ive since heard numerous reports of them causing accidents, one local lady smashed through a florests because it didnt stop at a junction, someone else told me they had been crashed into by an RX4, the driver saying ti just wouldnt stop.

Years after selling that one the Renault garage told us that there was a problem with the brakes on petrol RX4s and that there was no fix.

A seriously bad design issues for any manufacturer, let alone one which prides itself on safety. Again a real shame as the Rx4 would an excellent bit of kit.

The six month old meganeII we swapped it for lasted two weeks before it went back, it was riddled with faults. The ScenicII DCi which replaced that was better, but not without its problems (crunchy gears, noisey clutch etc) so that went the journey too.

I really do like Renaults, but they are often not easy cars to own.
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