First £70+ fill-up

Post by **CitroJim** » 28 Apr 2008, 19:59

MikeT wrote:Is it still true that diesel cost less to produce than petrol?

Years ago Mike, I think it would have been true to say that diesel did cost less to produce, being quite a low-grade product somewhere between light lubrucating oil and paraffin.

These days it may be on a par or even dearer as diesel has to undergo processes to remove sulphur (tor produce ULSD) and then, because sulphur was always a bonus for its pump lubrucity properties, a lubricity additive now has to be added.

The question to ask is how much per litre is red diesel and how much is domestic heating oil. The latter is very similar to old-school DERV chemically. As a final one, how much is Jet-A1 fuel per litre? That again is very similar to diesel. Those figures should tell you how much it costs to produce modern DERV.

Post by **myglaren** » 04 May 2008, 16:38

I've just filled up . £74 for 62 Litres.
I think I may have to push the car to work soon.

DaiRees · Post by **DaiRees** » 10 May 2008, 10:18

Broke my record yesterday, £76.30 for 70l of unleaded. That would be £84 if I had a diesel 406, but it would get me about 50% futher.

reblack68 · Post by **reblack68** » 26 May 2008, 06:31

I filled my car yesterday in one of the cheaper stations I could find. £85

Before I started my new job in March it had just started costing £70 to fill up so that's a 20% increase.

Maybe I'm cynical but I can't help thinking this has nothing to do with OPEC, Gordon Brown or the "credit crunch". I think it took a long time for all petrol pumps to be able to accept prices over 99.9p and they are reaping the rewards now.

Post by **myglaren** » 26 May 2008, 09:47

Time for a revolution lads.
Where's Napoleon when you need him?

steviewonder7 · Post by **steviewonder7** » 26 May 2008, 12:25

I agree with myglaren...we let the government ride over us roughshod too often...we need to stand up and make our voices heard.
There was an email going around my place of work asking people to boycott two of the biggest oil company's in this country..BP and Esso.Use other perol/diesel filling places and let these two feel the pinch and maybe ,maybe they'll have second thoughts about their pricing.

This could then follow on to other oil company's and they'ed recieve the same treatment.
In fact a local bus company are cutting long distance services because of the losse they are making,mainly down to the increased cost of fuel.

MikeT · Post by **MikeT** » 26 May 2008, 17:49

We forgive you Guy Fawkes!! I agree, something needs to be done as "democracy" isn't working!

The message I'm getting from our leaders is; "Your country doesn't need you so leave if you don't like it."

I'm afraid boycotting certain forecourts will just be a drop in the ocean and won't change a thing IMO.

What we need is large scale civil disobedience but that won't happen either.

reblack68 · Post by **reblack68** » 26 May 2008, 19:02

Make no mistake, if the government removed all fuel duty the fuel companies would still charge the same at the pumps.

Post by **CitroJim** » 26 May 2008, 20:02

They're making it up as they go along

Just topped up the 2.1TD at 129.9p per litre

I did jokingly ask the cashier if the price they charge was to pay for the blingy new pumps they had installed last week. A blank stare was the reply, as usual

It was barely 5 weeks ago that we were staggered to see diesel at 120.9p at a motorway services..

At this rate, it'll soon be cheaper to run the Activa as a daily runabout and save the diesel for weekends

MikeT wrote:What we need is large scale civil disobedience but that won't happen either.

Civil disobedience is a thought Mike but they know they have us by the short and curlys and we all depend on our vehicles to a greater or lesser extent to earn our living and in a lot of cases, to live. As a result we'll pay whatever they choose to charge simply because we really have no option but to do otherwise. I live in a small town and not so long ago, it had a wide enough variey of shops and most of your needs could be got within waking distance. Now most of what you need is a car journey to the nearest big town. All the shops are either fancy restaurants, charity shops or luxury goods. If I want fancy ceramic tiles or bespoke blinds, not a problem; they're on my doorstep. If I need a tap washer or a tin of paint it's a car journey. Public transport is not an option unless you plan very carefully, enjoy tours of Milton Keynes sink estates and have most of the day to spare.

So, as I say, they have us trapped

MikeT · Post by **MikeT** » 26 May 2008, 20:30

The poll tax riots got their attention but, as you say Jim, we're not desperate enough to make the sacrifices required. I suppose you could say it's all our own doing.

Does anyone know what the 1.9TD will cost to tax when the new charges hit the 7+ yr old cars? I got wind of this on the news that they'll be hit the hardest so I'm now reconsidering the wisdom of spending on maintenance.

Post by **CitroJim** » 26 May 2008, 20:44

MikeT wrote: Does anyone know what the 1.9TD will cost to tax when the new charges hit the 7+ yr old cars? I got wind of this on the news that they'll be hit the hardest so I'm now reconsidering the wisdom of spending on maintenance.

You can relax relax on that score Mike. My interpretation of the new rules is that the swinging increases only apply to the larger engined cars registered/made since 2001, the date the official CO2 emissions for new cars were published. Under the scheme, next year a 2002 1.8 Vectra, say, will be paying about twice what they are this year.

Pre-2001 cars have no publishd "offficial" CO2 figures so they will be charged at the current rate plus a bit more. Currently £200 per annum in 2009.

Paradoxically, that'll make pre-2001 cars sought after as in many cases, the bigger ones will be cheaper to tax by a considerable margin that their younger bretheren.

Cynically, I think the government are trying to run old cars off the road by doing this and persuading punters to buy nice, new "clean" cars. Of course all they are doing is lining the manufactures pockets and being very un-green

I hope they believe the number of pre-2001 cars left on the road is minimal now so we're not worth the effort of taxing off the road. After all, if we run an old banger now, we're poor and hardly likely to buy a shiny new car are we? So no point in persecuting us is there?

No doubt when they see the value of pre-2001 cars go through the roof, I guess they'll change their minds and really sting us for being frugal and green

All I know, you'll never beat 'em for long

EDIT: the legislation relating to pre-2001 cars is well buried. I wonder why?

reblack68 · Post by **reblack68** » 26 May 2008, 20:48

I heard something about that on the news tonight too. Whoever wrote the news script doesn't understand what's happening.

The tax on pre-2001 vehicles isn't changing, barring the usual £5 or £10 increases. For vehicles UNDER 7 years old there are going to be more tax bands and the ones with the highest CO2 emissions will rise to £400 per year.

MikeT · Post by **MikeT** » 26 May 2008, 22:26

I guess that news reporter was just a little too eager/rushed or I misheard them. I'm relieved it's not me about to suffer but it doesn't make it any less sickening.

Meanwhile....
"Hundreds of lorries will drive through the city in convoy and at low speeds on Tuesday while a delegation takes a letter to 10 Downing Street demanding an immediate fuel duty rebate for lorry drivers"

Isn't the Gumment on holiday this week?

Post by **myglaren** » 26 May 2008, 22:57

They're making it up as they go along Evil or Very Mad Just topped up the 2.1TD at 129.9p per litre

I just met up with my son in Whitby (he lives in St. Neots and I in Washington) He had had to fill up with standard unleaded @£1.34/L

Xaccers · Post by **Xaccers** » 27 May 2008, 20:03

I put £40 of diesel in last night as Costco was shut, got me just over 31L!
So that would have been £80+ to fill her up!
Thankgoodness a tank load of SVO costs around £50.