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Pre-MOT check of the ZX last night. It's only done 7k miles since the last MOT, and only 82k total - last year it needed NSF track rod end and bottom ball joint and NSR damper as the bush was shot. This year it needs NSF wishbone bushes (front and rear completely shot - not even an advisory on it last year), NSF wheel bearing* (plus new exhaust, and possibly some welding). :cry: And that's only my 5 minute quicky check - gawd only knows what the MOT man will find :twisted: Let's just hope the ABS light behaves itself for the test....

I'm sure the NS suspension wear is due to the road my wife travels on to work which is in a very poor state - well hacked off. The O/S had a new track rod end when we got it 2 and a bit years ago, but nothing since.

Don't suppose anyone near Glasgow has got a press / puller for doing to the wheel bearing? Guess I will do the wishbone bushes, and sort out a new exhaust then hand it back to the garage to do the bearing. Can't really afford to have it off the road for a protracted period whilst I find someone to press in a new bearing.

*I knew something was awry as it has been making a racket for a while. I assumed it was the d/shaft intermediate bearing as the noise is constant and doesn't vary around corners. Spinng the NSF wheel reveals otherwise though :? Last time I had a wheel bearing go (Xantia) it did exhibit quietening on corners, but was the reverse of normal (went quiet when loaded). Citroens, eh :roll:
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The roads are getting bad :twisted: I noticed on the way to work this morning the state of the road where it flooded badly last week and the torrents have dug out big potholes. The road now looks like a patchwork quilt where trenches have been dug on it. Almost a case of bits of tarmac holding the potholes together...

And we just know it'll be years before it is fixed.

In Newport Town Centre we have had a pothole in a trench for months now that just gets bodge-fixed on a near-weekly basis. All the time they have spent patching it, they could have just as easily done a proper job :evil:

On the subject of your bearings Richard, strip off the hub carrier and take just the carrier and bearings to your local, friendly indie and tempt him with a few portraits of the queen to press out and press in the new bearings. It'll be a lot cheaper than having a garage do the whole job for you as you'll have done all the hard work of dismantling for him :) .
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Something I notice the councils do for potholes is to fill them up with tarmac. Ok for a while, but the council around here don't even smooth it out to make it better than the pothole before. It's just as rough.

On top of this, when it rains gain, and the water gets into the potholes, all you need is a heavy lorry and it will pop out in bit here and there over a short time to reveal a bigger hole!! Not good practise in my opinion.
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Jim, careful driving to Wolverton, where they dug up the road before the flood, there's now two big pot holes a car width apart after the mini roundabout just as you leave New Bradwell, you have to drive in the middle of the road to avoid them.
Thought they were working to fill them up today, but apparently not.
They're a good 6 inches deep too.
I'm sure I read somewhere that some councils were now spending nearly as much on compensation claims as they were on road repairs!
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And now we know why the roads are in such a poor state.

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Xac wrote:Jim, careful driving to Wolverton, where they dug up the road before the flood, there's now two big pot holes a car width apart after the mini roundabout just as you leave New Bradwell, you have to drive in the middle of the road to avoid them.
Tell me about them :evil: :evil: Caught them fair and square in Dad's 205 this afternoon. Dad was not best pleased.
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Xac wrote:I'm sure I read somewhere that some councils were now spending nearly as much on compensation claims as they were on road repairs!
Our local paper has been covering this recently. Surrey has stopped paying out on claims. They say they are not liable as they have an 'ongoing inspection policy' in place.

They only pay out if you can prove that they knew about the pot hole a reasonable time before you hit it.

The really great bit is the inspection policy they have in place. 'We wait for the public to tell us about a defect and then we investigate it' :shock:

When I get round to it I shall be logging onto their web site and reporting every pothole I know about. However, I need to find a free few hours to do so there are so many.
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New MOT now in place. Oddly didn't fail on the bearing or the bushes - just needed new exhaust, welding in both inner front wings, and new rear pads. Too busy chopping the house about for new CH, so £400 lighter to get it through now :roll: And I've still got to do the bearing and bushes - but at least I can do them on my own schedule.....
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......Another "TAX" On The Motorist.........

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So we pay "Road Tax" & is the money spent on the roads NO ! :evil:

What's it like in the other countries forum members are from, do you pay a road tax, and is it spent on the upkeep of the roads ?
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ACTIVE8 wrote:So we pay "Road Tax" & is the money spent on the roads NO ! :evil:

What's it like in the other countries forum members are from, do you pay a road tax, and is it spent on the upkeep of the roads ?
As Herman Munster used to say:

MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

What a funny bugger ACTIVE8 is!

Government spend taxes according to the name they give it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So, um, no, things not much better in Orstraylya either.
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citrojim wrote: In Newport Town Centre we have had a pothole in a trench for months now that just gets bodge-fixed on a near-weekly basis. All the time they have spent patching it, they could have just as easily done a proper job :evil:
(Runs off to get a dictionary) Ah here it is Council = cheapness. By me there is a road that has the exact same symptoms as you described. Only about a month ago they filled in a pothole that was about 1' squared by about 8" deep. Its back with avengance now and looks deeper than it was before. But because the road is right on the edge of Swansea bay its constantly attacked by water underneath when the tide comes in, and as such its slowly sinking (the victorian sewer system cant cope with the problem also). Its a small road (single lane sections for about 2 1/2 miles) and the amound of traffic that uses it on a daily basis it would cause gridlock for the council to close it so they see it better to patch it in small places as and when needed :roll:
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I will be watching with great anticipation to find out when the council will "fill in" a couple of pot holes which became bad after the heavy rain, they are particularly nasty now.
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ACTIVE8 wrote:So we pay "Road Tax" & is the money spent on the roads NO ! :evil:

What's it like in the other countries forum members are from, do you pay a road tax, and is it spent on the upkeep of the roads ?
I'd like to repeat the UFO post above.

But thats only funny once.

Instead I could write up a long story on politicians and moral, but thats more the business of AlanS.

Would'nt be fun written by me.

Over here our ways politicians are fogging out people by talking new bridge projects :twisted:
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Ahh yes; nothing like telling Government Ministers what an incompetant pack of useless gits they are.
Here's a response I got from the Transport Minister obviously via his "spin doctor". I took him and his spin doctor apart in no uncertain manner and told him I don't expect to be patronised by someone with absolutely no knowledge of the subject whose only qualification seems to be as holding a Degree in Taurus Excretia with a PHd in bull$h!t.
I have since kept forwarding on stats as they appear in the paper showing how the road toll has actually increased in the past decade and how 4WDs are contributing to the greatest percentage of fatalities.
I've also pointed out that this is in a time when we've had the biggest drought on record, so what happens when the rains start?
Well they just have and it's a couple more every day spinning off and hitting trees and poles.
Thick as bricks!!
Re: driver education - advanced training programs

Thank you for your email of 13 March 2007 to the Honourable Paul Lucas MP,
Minister for Transport and Main Roads regarding driver education and
advanced driver training. The Minister has asked that I respond on his
behalf.

Please allow me to reassure you that the Queensland Government is
committed to improving road safety, and in conjunction with all
Queenslanders, has significantly reduced the road toll over the last
decade despite a booming population and increasing number of vehicles on
register. However, one life lost on our roads is one too many.

At this time, Queensland Transport (QT) does not support traditional
approaches to defensive or advanced driver training for young drivers. I
am advised that, while most drivers develop additional skills such as
hazard perception and the ability to manage distractions through
experience and practice, international and Australian research shows that
driver training beyond that required to gain an initial driver licence may
not decrease crash risk, particularly among young males.

However, QT has been involved in ongoing discussion and research both
within Australia and overseas into the area of driver training. It is
recognised that, while learner drivers have the lowest crash involvement
of any driver group, provisional drivers are at the greatest risk in their
first year of solo driving. Promising results have been found for
training programs that focus on attitude-motivation and
cognitive-perceptual skills (Review of literature regarding national and
international young driver training, licensing and regulatory systems ?
Senserrick and Haworth, 2005 - Australia).

You may be interested to know that evaluations of driver training programs
established in Sweden and a program in Finland have, to date, received
mixed results. However a survey of participants in the Swedish program
found positive shifts in attitudes and self-reported behaviour,
particularly for young males (Senserrick and Haworth, 2005 ? Australia)
The Federal Government is developing a post-licence driver education
program in New South Wales and Victoria, prior to national roll-out. The
course aims to provide provisional drivers with an understanding of their
own limitations and an insight into how they can reduce the risks they
face on the road.

Queensland has not been included in the initial Federal Government program
at this stage. However, post-licence driver training was identified as
part of the recently announced Young Driver Package as one way to enhance
provisional driver education and training in Queensland. QT is currently
investigating options to trial, evaluate and implement an appropriate
program.

To address this important road safety issue, on 12 August 2006, Queensland
Government announced a new graduated licensing system (GLS). The
Queensland Government is set to progressively introduce this new system
for young motorists from 1 July 2007 to reduce crashes, particularly among
young drivers.

Key changes include:
· gaining 100 hours of certified supervised on-road driving
experience for learners under 25 years of age, recorded in a logbook;
· progressive development of a package for learner drivers;
· education package for learner drivers and supervisors (parents);
· a split provisional phase (P1 and P2);
· compulsory P plates (a red plate for P1 and green plate for P2);
· restricting all mobile phone use, including hands-free, blue-tooth
accessories, and loud-speaker functions for learner and P1 provisional
licence holders under 25. Their passengers and supervisors of learner
drivers are also prohibited from using the mobile phone loud speaker
function;
· peer passenger restrictions (carrying no more than one passenger
aged under 21, with exemptions for immediate family members) from 11pm to
5am for P1 drivers under 25 years of age;
· young drivers under 25 years of age disqualified from driving will
return to P1, with a night driving restriction;
· high-powered vehicle restrictions for P1 and P2 drivers under 25
years of age;
· motorbike learners will be required to hold a provisional car
licence for 12 months prior to obtaining a learner motorbike licence; and
· introduction of a hazard perception test HPT. When introduced, P1
licence holders will be required to pass the HPT prior to upgrading to a
P2 licence.

More details regarding the proposed initiatives can be located at the
dedicated young driver website www.transport.qld.gov.au/youngdrivers.


With regards to your comments about turbocharged diesel vehicles, it is
likely that turbocharged diesel vehicles will not be on the restricted
vehicle list. At this stage, QT is still finalising the criteria that
will identify the types of vehicles that will be restricted. Until
legislation is finalised, specific details on the restrictions cannot be
provided, however as a general guide the vehicles that provisional drivers
are likely to be restricted from driving may include:

· vehicles with eight or more cylinders;
· turbocharged vehicles (except diesel);
· supercharged vehicles (except diesel);
· vehicles with an engine output of more than 200kw;
· vehicles with a rotary engine above 1146cc; and
· vehicles with an engine performance modification that is not
standard to the original manufacturer's specifications and requires
approval from an approved person.

In relation to your suggestion that drivers of 4WDs undergo a driving test
similar to that of a HR licence, motor vehicle classifications and the
classes of licence required to drive them are evaluated and set to a
nationally agreed standard. Vehicles with a gross vehicle mass (GVM) of
up to and including 4.5 tonne with the capacity to carry not more than 12
passengers (including the driver) are classed as light vehicles, and as
such drivers only require a car licence to drive them.

Existing national licensing standards allow for an individual to undergo
practical testing in a motor vehicle up to 4.5 tonne GVM and consequently
are licensed to drive any motor vehicle in that category. The skills and
manoeuvres assessed for competency during the test are representative of
those required for the on-road use of any motor vehicle within this
licence class category, whether such a vehicle be a sedan or station wagon
equipped with either normal or four-wheel drive.

It is acknowledged that there are additional driving skills required when
operating a 4WD vehicle in ?off road? conditions. To address this need
there are a number of commercial enterprises that offer specific ?off
road? driver training for that purpose. However, the skill level and
techniques required to drive a 4WD vehicle on city streets is the same as
any other light vehicle. Indeed, there are 4WD vehicles with automatic
transmissions which require less manual dexterity and fine motor skills
than driving a small manual sedan.

The grouping of all motor vehicles up to 4.5 tonne into the one licence
class is the result of several years of driver assessment development
within Queensland. Such development has included extensive consultation
with the driver training industry. This practice is consistent with the
nationally agreed standard which was adopted after several years of
consultation between industry groups, State and Federal Government
departments.

The Minister thanks you for your feedback and interest in road safety. If
you require further information, please contact Ms Renae Moore, Land
Transport and Safety on (07) 3253 4397. Ms Moore will be pleased to
assist you.

Yours sincerely

I have since received another letter which he acknowledged points made and referred me to some bird in his department. Not interested in her; I vote for politicians not their offsiders. I want answerd from him, after all, I hlp give him a job and I pay some of his wage, so the buck stops at him.


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ACTIVE8 wrote:do you pay a road tax, and is it spent on the upkeep of the roads ?
We pay road tax, road fund levy, car registration charge, licence fee, fuel excise and others. :x
There’s nowhere that it says that it’s got to be spent on roads; it’s all money coming in. :evil:
We’ve had storms causing a shipwreck and road collapse that killed a family of five.
The cynical state governments offload roads onto local councils that can’t afford their keep.
Story from ABC TV here:

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