Crushing a 307 (blokes a bit peed with it)

simonelsey · Post by **simonelsey** » 05 Feb 2006, 16:59

Just found this link for crushing a 307 .

I think hes a bit peed of with the car.

http://www.crushmy307.co.uk/

worth a look

bxbodger · Post by **bxbodger** » 06 Feb 2006, 14:48

Assuming its all true, and we only have his side of the story, but why do big firms behave like this??

12 years ago, I bought my first camcorder- a great big heavy Samsung. It had one years warranty, and broke after two years. I wrote to them anyway, as camcorders were an expensive item then, explained that although it was way out of warranty I didn't expect it to fail so quickly.

They seemed concerned, said that they would look at it, and as long as it was a genuine manufacturing fault and not something I did, then they would consider fixing it.

They sent a courier for it, confirmed that the power supply board was faulty, fixed it, and couriered it back.

The upshot is, when the time came for an upgrade, I bought another Samsung.........and another........recomended them to friends/family for their service, etc..........

Having read that Pug tale, though, I wouldn't even put one on the shortlist were I considering a new purchase!!!

The attitude of manufacturers and their dealers has a lot to do with new car purchase- I would bet that now all this blokes relatives, friends, work colleagues, etc, would not consider a Pug either.

You don't often see C2 Pluriels- I wonder if its anything to do with all those poor sods who were on watchdog!!!

PowerLee · Post by **PowerLee** » 06 Feb 2006, 19:18

If you want to know how bad the 307 really is just ask the technicians down the local Pug dealer

The only reason they do like them is every re-call they do bumps the monthly bonus up

simonelsey · Post by **simonelsey** » 06 Feb 2006, 21:09

Yep I now . I went into local citroen dealer today , to get some hoses , sorry mate we dont stock them , we can get them in for you in next few days , How much for I enquire . £14.40 + vat , I said no thanks I get them off the internet for £8.00 + vat with £3.00 delivery , I need them tomorrow . Bu the parts person said , The pipe dont fail that often so not a stock item .I said yes but I dont want them to fail on the road and leave me strandad at which point he just through a pen on his desk and walked off .
Im a printer /computer engineer , and I much rather take previtive measures then allow the worst.

Terrible services provided by main delaer , Just intrested in the sale of new cars

Kowalski · Post by **Kowalski** » 07 Feb 2006, 12:24

PowerLee wrote:If you want to know how bad the 307 really is just ask the technicians down the local Pug dealer

The only reason they do like them is every re-call they do bumps the monthly bonus up

One of my workmates has a 307. It was recalled for some new software and now its check engine light comes on claiming too much oil in the sump. The dipstick shows the oil level is fine, its been back to the dealers for more software updates but still it claims too much oil. The dealer is now sourcing a new oil level sensor but doesn't seem too happy about fitting it, it looks like the dealer has messed something up somewhere and doesn't want to fix it now that Peugeot isn't paying for the job...

PowerLee · Post by **PowerLee** » 07 Feb 2006, 17:49

The reason they aint happy fitting that oil level sensor is its a book time of 4 hours to do it

paranoid · Post by **paranoid** » 12 Feb 2006, 13:41

PowerLee wrote:The reason they aint happy fitting that oil level sensor is its a book time of 4 hours to do it

Had a look at workmates 307 and trust me, you really don't want to get involved in that job it looks a nightmare

ACTIVE8 · Post by **ACTIVE8** » 13 Feb 2006, 09:06

PowerLee wrote:The reason they aint happy fitting that oil level sensor is its a book time of 4 hours to do it

Amazing that it's been engineered in such a way, as to make it so difficult to do, and such a long job !

On another make of vehicle I have seen the oil level sensor built into the sump near to the sump plug. It was easy to access and replace.

To replace wouldn't take too long, even accounting for putting the diagnostic machine on it, a small job.

Also this oil level sensor was part of the system on the vehicle that measures oil quality, and would help the vehicle to report when a service is due.

Peugeots time of 4 hours to do the job, is excessive to say the least.

Kowalski · Post by **Kowalski** » 13 Feb 2006, 12:10

It'll be engineered to be cheap to assemble.

The glow plugs are really easy to put into a bare engine block (XUD) but once you cover the thing with pipes and add the injector pump they become a bit inaccessable.

What makes the 307 sensor difficult to get at? Is it inside the sump or just down the back of the block?

ACTIVE8 · Post by **ACTIVE8** » 13 Feb 2006, 18:06

Kowalski wrote:It'll be engineered to be cheap to assemble.

The glow plugs are really easy to put into a bare engine block (XUD) but once you cover the thing with pipes and add the injector pump they become a bit inaccessable.

What makes the 307 sensor difficult to get at? Is it inside the sump or just down the back of the block?

Yes, I agree that it's engineered to be cheap to assemble.

The thing is though they primarly design it that way, but they shouldn't be so short sited, and selfish even though it's a question of economics. This is because although they only assemble it ONCE, and as you say with components that subsequently get installed not being in the way makes the whole thing a lot easier.

It's the people that have to work on it afterwards that suffer with poor access. They also have to strip, repair and rebuild these components MANY times.

Although if the designers/engineers were to strip, and rebuild their designs then they might, and this applies to any manufacturer make it easier to repair. After all if it's cheaper to repair for the customer, then it's a selling point that a customer should consider, unless they won't keep the car any longer than the warranty period.

Which means in that case the manufacturer is actually saving a cost in manufacturing the product, but then wasting that saving with designs that in situ could have been given more thought, so as to ensure cheaper warranty claims.

Not sure about why the sensor should take so long on the 307. Maybe Powerlee can provide us with more information on that.

pugxpert · Post by **pugxpert** » 17 Feb 2006, 21:35

you have to take exhaust manifold off to get sensor out,it is very long and screws in on back of block, you can pull it up so far but then it hits manifold so it has to be released to get it out.turbo pipes off as well

pugxpert · Post by **pugxpert** » 17 Feb 2006, 21:38

has this crush my 307 bloke actually gone and done it yet?? or is it just a load of crap he is talking?? if not he may want to contact his dealer,car may be due a recall...

Kowalski · Post by **Kowalski** » 18 Feb 2006, 20:01

My colleague with the dodgy oil level lights on his 307 has finally been sorted out.

The oil sensor was absolutely fine, they got the same fault after they replaced it. So, the Peugeot dealer put the car on the diagnostics machine again and after much head scratching and technical advice from Peugeot, they decided that something must have gone wrong with the software download. The upshot was that it has now been given some new ECUs and a new instrument cluster.

Thats right, more than one ECU was replaced, we've got this sort of fun to look forwards to when our Citroens go multiplexed wiring. Post facelift Xsaras, C6s, C5s, C4s, C3s, C2s, C1s aren't they all going to be multiplexed?

reblack68 · Post by **reblack68** » 18 Feb 2006, 20:05

pugxpert wrote:has this crush my 307 bloke actually gone and done it yet?? or is it just a load of crap he is talking?? if not he may want to contact his dealer,car may be due a recall...

He's planning to do it in January '07. I don't think he'll get anywhere near enough money.

pugxpert · Post by **pugxpert** » 18 Feb 2006, 21:27

c5 was multiplexed from launch as was i expect c2+c3, c1/107/aigo is not though.later c6 will be can bus like 407 and not van/can like the 307.new 307 are full can bus now and are a lot better, mercedes have used full bosch can for years..

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