306 GTI 6 VS ZX VALVER

adrian · Post by **adrian** » 02 Feb 2005, 04:35

Does any one know what the difference in peformance is between a 1994 Citroen zx 16v and A 1997 Peugeot 306 GTI 6? My Mate owns the zx 16v (louis1) and i will be getting my 306 GTI 6 in a few days. We will find out the difference (Of Course!) on our own private test track (we would not dream of doing this on the public road haha!)
Any comments/ideas?
Thanks
Adrian.

Daniel B · Post by **Daniel B** » 02 Feb 2005, 14:19

Well the ZX should have the 2.0 155BHP (But alegedly 150BHP) lump as used in the late 405Mi16's.
The Pug has at least a 12bhp advantage, but is it not heavier......?
I don't know much about the specs/figures of either car to be honest, but I suspect there would be little to choose.
Dan

Post by **Thunderbird** » 02 Feb 2005, 15:37

There is no possible comparison between those two cars.
The 306 GTi has a 2 liter 167Hp engine, short 6 gear, and an amazing sportive suspension. Better built, better seats, and better look!
The Peugeot is faster in straight line and especially on mountain roads.

VisaGTi16v · Post by **VisaGTi16v** » 02 Feb 2005, 23:10

"no possible comparison" ? Remove the body and its the same car...same PSA chassis. The zx 16v suspension is identical I believe. 306 may be slightly better built but my 110K zx 16v had 1 tiny rattle inside the dash and that was it. Seats were supportive buckets. I think the zx looked better as it stuck out, the gti-6 just looked the same as other 306's. Way I see it is
306 gti-6: has more bhp, 287mm front brakes (283?) instead of 266mm on the zx. 6 speed etc
ZX 16v: excellent car that will hardly ever see on the road, only 400 in this country still registered. Yes its not as quick but you can pick up a M reg one for £600-800. A 306 gti-6 will cost you 2K plus!
Daniel: The 306 is slightly heavier. Then theres also the Xsara VTS which again uses the same chassic and this time the 167bhp lump but with the 5 speed box. It is 100kg heavier than the zx 16v so wasnt really any quicker

louis1 · Post by **louis1** » 03 Feb 2005, 02:30

Well my 16v has no cat and an induction kit (not that this makes any difference) and my freind is picking up his car friday so I will let you all know what the cars compare like. I personaly prefer the zx because you can surprise more people where as the gti-6 are more common and more expensive.

adrian · Post by **adrian** » 03 Feb 2005, 02:55

We sure will find out the difference mate!

gjb02 · Post by **gjb02** » 03 Feb 2005, 17:14

As a ZX 16v owner, I was upset by the comments regarding the GTI-6.
The comparison between old and new is unfair, 155bhp against 167bhp. Five speed against six.
Would a ZX 16v with the 167bhp and a 6 speed gearbox be the same as the GTI-6? Yes it would!!
Buy the ZX 16v, K&N Air Filter, Full stainless exhaust, Superchip, FSE Fuel pressure regulator and uprate the brakes. You will still have money left over, compared to the cost of the GTI-6!
And you will have a more driveable, powerful car, with identical handling, and best of all exclusivity!!
Find a Black ZX 16v with leather and A/C...and you'll have a rare beast indeed.[8D]

Seamster15 · Post by **Seamster15** » 03 Feb 2005, 17:54

My mate has two 16v's One in green and the other.... In Black, with black leather and Aircon!

TomH · Post by **TomH** » 03 Feb 2005, 19:03

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by VisaGTi16v</i>
ZX 16v: excellent car that will hardly ever see on the road<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
you're right about that! The only place I ever see them is ebay (where they do seem to turn up fairly frequently!)

born2die · Post by **born2die** » 03 Feb 2005, 19:12

like this one then http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 53500&rd=1

louis1 · Post by **louis1** » 23 Feb 2005, 14:13

I have just reed through this topic and it seems that thunderbird is talking a load of rubbish, as said by visagti16v they are the same car with different panels. My freind now has his gti-6, but we have'nt had it side by side with my zx, but as for top speed the gti can manage only 139 mph and thats down hill, and the zx can do 145 mph on a flat surface. As for acceleration the zx can hit 5-6 mph more than the 306 on the same length of road. Maybe the zx speedo may not be as accurate as the 306 but I don't think that the zx is any slower than the 306.

Kowalski · Post by **Kowalski** » 23 Feb 2005, 15:47

The GTI-6 has the 167 BHP engine with a six speed gearbox. The ZX 16V comes with the 155bhp or the 167bhp engine, the 167bhp engine is VERY rare in a ZX.
If you compare like with like, they are the same performance but the ZXs arent all alike.

VisaGTi16v · Post by **VisaGTi16v** » 23 Feb 2005, 17:45

Well Louis yes and no. Im afraid the book top figure of a zx 16v is 137mph which is on the limiter in 5th so youre speedo must overread a fair bit

Also the 306 is geared differently which you have to take into account but it should be quicker than a zx 16v at any point even if only by a few mph due to the extra bhp. Maybe his is not running right and also I seem to recall yours has been decatted so is probably nudging over 160bhp?
as for the 167bhp zx yes, only 1996 ones had it but ive seen 1996 P reg ones for sale and they didnt. I only know of one mythical one that apparently had the 167 engine in the uk. In france they carried on till 1998 so more had it. It was revealed on here recently that only 15 P/1996 16v's are still registered with the dvla so there can only be a couple of 167's if that still in the uk

louis1 · Post by **louis1** » 23 Feb 2005, 18:43

Yes you are right mine has been decatted, so maybe that is why it seems to go quite well, because I have read that the power does'nt come in until over 4000 rpm but mine seems to come in from 1500 rpm upwards.
As for my mates gti it really does seem to struggle over 120 and by 130 it really is running out of steam. When ticking over the car hunts and it's leaking oil from the rear of the engine. So if you can shed any light on where to start looking for problems, we would appreciate it.
Thanks Louis

VisaGTi16v · Post by **VisaGTi16v** » 23 Feb 2005, 19:14

Everyone I spoke to who had a zx 16v said there was no power below 4000. Mine however took off almost like an old school turbo lag at about 2800 but then was gutless high up. No idea why.
Well any car that has a book top speed of 137 will be painfully slow over 120. When I took my old 16v to 137 in france it took what seemed like hours to go from 130 upwards.
I had an oil leak on the back of mine. It was where I took off the cam cover and didnt replace the rubber seal which gets squashed into place and so oil leaked down the back of the block. The gti-6 is a bit different head wise so may not be the same. The hunting could be due to the coil packs, although again I dont know if that had them. Maybe its seperate leads with 1 coil as in older cars. Either way, a service and new plugs etc is probably the first step