HDi vs V6

Post by **Thunderbird** » 13 Dec 2004, 19:36

Xantia Exclusive - V6 or HDi engine?
The HDi is more economic, but maintenance is hot.
How about driving pleasure? Silence? Other considerations?

NiSk · Post by **NiSk** » 13 Dec 2004, 19:44

Depends on who is paying the fuel bill!
//NiSk

Stempy · Post by **Stempy** » 13 Dec 2004, 23:04

I'd always go for the V6, I know modern diesels are very good and much more economical, but they smell and sound awful, and I don't care much for the power delivery characteristics either.

paranoid · Post by **paranoid** » 13 Dec 2004, 23:23

v6 v6 v6 v6 v6 v6........[:D][:D][:D]

Dave Burns · Post by **Dave Burns** » 14 Dec 2004, 00:22

Go for the diesel, spare parts readily available, V6 spares can be difficult to obtain and you will pay through the nose for them.
The cost of feeding the thing and you wont be able to give it away if you need to get shut.
One of the most important reasons for having a diesel, if you are unfortunate enough to be involved in a serious accident, better to have 12 gallons of diesel under your back seat than 12 gallons of petrol.
Dave

deelite · Post by **deelite** » 14 Dec 2004, 02:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Thunderbird

Xantia Exclusive - V6 or HDi engine?
The HDi is more economic, but maintenance is hot.
How about driving pleasure? Silence? Other considerations?
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I had a Hdi 110 before and now a V6.
The difference in power is enormous and the V6 is giving more driving pleasure at high speeds, but the V6 is lazy under 3000rpm.
So in "normal" driving situations the Hdi is a better choise, but more noisy than the V6. Spare parts are as easy to find for the V6, but some are more expensive, for example 270€ for the Hdi - and 310€ for the V6 rear exhaust silencer.
My Hdi had a basic hydraulic suspension and i found it better than a hydractive suspension wich is more sensible and much more expensive to maintain. For example: 1 wheelsensor 170€, and with one faulty, the hydractive suspension will not function as it should be.
The Hdi runs on 6-7l diesel/100km, the V6 10-12l petrol/100km
Other consideration, the V6 and the Hdi have the same brakes, but i find they are to weak for the V6 at high speed.

406 V6 · Post by **406 V6** » 14 Dec 2004, 02:24

TBird: V6!
My 406 is a V6, though the initial version with 194bhp, not the more up to date 211bhp with VVC.
Super smooth, 12l/100kms in town. Choose the auto gearbox, as this can lower the fuel consumption greatly [:D], compared with a manual.
I'm gonna sell the 406 [:(]...
Besides, not everyone has a V6 [;)]
I can give you a ride on the 406 for a first contact...

deelite · Post by **deelite** » 14 Dec 2004, 10:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by 406 V6

TBird: V6!
My 406 is a V6, though the initial version with 194bhp, not the more up to date 211bhp with VVC.
Super smooth, 12l/100kms in town. Choose the auto gearbox, as this can lower the fuel consumption greatly [:D], compared with a manual.
I'm gonna sell the 406 [:(]...
Besides, not everyone has a V6 [;)]
I can give you a ride on the 406 for a first contact...
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Lower consumption with the auto gearbox???
Forget about it, a manual gearbox is always more economic

NiSk · Post by **NiSk** » 14 Dec 2004, 12:19

"Forget about it, a manual gearbox is always more economic"
Depends who is pressing the pedals!
//NiSk

406 V6 · Post by **406 V6** » 14 Dec 2004, 16:27

[:D][:D] How true!
I know what a petrol with manual is: i've burned over 40L for just 120kms with a 1.8 Mondeo.
Besides, town driving in 4th at 1400rpm is a delightfull pleasure with no complains [:)]
As for maintenance, i pay the same as a HDI, around 200 euro. Damn, even VW is more expensive!

Kowalski · Post by **Kowalski** » 14 Dec 2004, 17:52

8.8 gallons for 75 miles, 8.5 mpg.
How did you manage 8.5 mpg with a 1.8?

Post by **Thunderbird** » 14 Dec 2004, 19:24

Friends, I tend to agree with your observations.
The V6 is realy lazy (low binary?) at low rpm and boring to drive in the city. The HDi feels much more alive in the city. Consumption of the V6 in the city is also much higher - running costs double.
On the other hand, on open road, the V6 is like a fish in water and performs rather well. The HDi is OK for cruise speeds up to 150km/h, but won't provide a sporty response, when necessary.
Nowdays, with fuel price escalading, diesel really makes sense. However, the sound, smell and response of a 3 liter V6 petrol also has its value.
At the end, I would say it depends on how it is going to be used - mainly for city or many miles, HDi; for the road/high-way and not too many miles, V6.

406 V6 · Post by **406 V6** » 14 Dec 2004, 22:32

Compra o V6...
Sorry, is know it's a plain english forum

NiSk · Post by **NiSk** » 14 Dec 2004, 22:37

8.5 mpg from a 1.8? Now we're starting to talk about serious motoring! I recall Colin Malkin (anyone remember him?) complaining that his Lancia Fulvia HF (a 1.6 if I recall) only managed 3(!)mpg on the Welsh stages - and that was definitly a manual box. (Anyone care to guess the year?)
//NiSk

paranoid · Post by **paranoid** » 14 Dec 2004, 22:44

At the end of the day it is down to the driving you do,
But after experiencing a v6 with K&N filter and large bore exhaust the sound still haunts me to this day, closest thing to a ferrari I ever heard, pure sex[;)][}:)][}:)]
One day [V]