My Xantia HDi

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Post by Toby_HDi » 16 Apr 2009, 20:04

Well, took her for an MOT this morning.

She passed! Got that green ticket in my hand!

Am quite pleased to say the least and I'm impressed with the Smoke Test Result....

Passed on the first acceleration. Fast Pass Limit of 1.5m/-1. It passed with 0.56m/-1.

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Post by MikeT » 17 Apr 2009, 10:13

That's the news I've been waiting for, well done Toby. Did you get any explanation about the brake hoses?

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Post by Toby_HDi » 18 Apr 2009, 20:28

Alas I did not Mike,

due to time constraints it was done by a local independant garage that is round the corner from me.

I would have taken it back to the original place as I was curious to hear an explaination for the failure.

However, main thing is it now has a ticket for another year :)

Set for my trips to Farnham and Swindon at end of the month now

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Post by Toby_HDi » 11 May 2009, 20:27

Well, its been a while since the last update. The HDi has just plodded on almost faultlessly, just a niggling noise from the steering, more on that in a bit...

The trips to Farnham and Swindon didn't materialise, maybe off to Farnham soon but not sure when. I did however go to Southampton with a friend for some shopping. Decided I would run some V-Power diesel just to try it. I certainly noticed the difference. Much smoother and more responsive. Economy improved also. I managed just over 400 miles from £40 which at around £1.08 a litre isn't bad at all.

I also had to go to Salisbury today, just a check up at the hospital for my ears, they are not the healthiest but they were improving after a couple of operations. I got told today though they've deteriorated in the last 6 months, oh well :(

Yesterday I drove down to the Devon border to go and see Peter N. He very kindly offered to look at my steering issue.

Over the last couple of weeks the steering has been making something resembling a creaking noise (see thread in Citroen area for more details) but I couldn't pinpoint the source. Peter put it up on his novel ramp and spotted what he thought was bolt loose but it turned out not to be that. After much searching it was decided the source was on the nearside somewhere and that I didn't need to worry too much as everything looked sound. That's all changed now though after a shocking discovery which I'll come to in a bit....

After that we had a chat about the joys (and frustrations!) of Citroen ownership. I was introduced to Peter's XM's too, no less than 4 of them. A novelty to me as I rarely see one down these parts. Very nice cars indeed and they all have similar number plates :lol: He also showed me how XM seats seem to be indestructable, one XM with almost 200k on the clock I believe had seats that looked brand new! They also look very inviting and comfy! Puts my Xantia to shame with their bittiness and bolster tears - and only 143k. My thanks go to Peter for yesterday

On my return from the hospital today I got a phone call from my brother regarding his 405. Could I come and look at it, he didn't say why over the phone. On arriving he told me he had no brakes. A quick test run revealed this to be the case as the pedal would travel all the way to the floor and no braking effort until a long delay. My immediate thought was air in the lines so we bled them out. Brake bleeding is so tedious after being used to ease at which it is done on a Xantia :lol: I bled 3 of them and everything seemed to be going well until I got to the last one, the front offside. The bleed nipple wouldn't let go and has ended up being chewed up, it does still seal though. On opening the nipple and pumping the brakes, a copious amount of murky, horrible brake fluid emerged. It seems there is water in there somewhere. After pumping for 10mins and still pumpin out air I decided it must be taking air in on releasing the pedal. I did not find the cause of this due to not having the time or inclination. His front discs and rear drums have seen better days :shock:

After doing the 405 I turned my attention to my steering problem. Yesterday Peter noted the nearside rack gaiter looked twisted and suggested that the boot could be rubbing against itself, causing the noise. LHM was suggested to lubricated the gaiter to see if this was the problem. I poured LHM on the gaiter and this seemed to improved this but the problem did not cease to be. Then my brother had a look and said that the gaiter didn't look right - indeed it didn't, it was all twisted. On further inspection I made the shocking discovery I mentioned earlier - it is hanging off the rack! :shock: It is not secured and is very loose, further more the rubber is all twisted and scrunched up. There is also what appears to be a bag used for the grease that has been left in place on reassembly and I cannot remove it. This leads me to think that this is the problem due to the fact the rubber and/or polythene could well be rubbing and furthermore that the grease has escaped and the rack is no longer lubricated there. Even worse, I'm worried grit and water may have found its way in there.

This has made me angry as this is the gaiter that a supposed Citroen specialist replaced for me a couple of months ago. What very little faith I had in garages has no gone. I shall NEVER take ANY car I own to a garage again. :evil:

I found the receipt and the work is supposedly still under guarantee but I don't know if I trust them to do it properly this time either. I may just do it myself.

I popped in to my local Waitrose (the one I work at!) and found myself taking questions on two of my friends cars too! One of which is also French, a little 106. So I may have another couple of cars to sort too :lol:

Not been the best of weeks really, but it was good to meet Peter, another face to a name and hopefully I can put a few more together at next month's DS/SM rally as I'm planning on going. Am looking forward to it. Again, many thanks to Peter for his kind help, it is most appreciated.

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Post by DickieG » 11 May 2009, 21:37

Depending on whether we are talking of the same thing, Xantia steering racks do have a plastic bag wrapped around one end from new, so don't assume that a mechanic has used that as a bodge, I wouldn't wish for you to go back pointing fingers on that count :oops:

As for the twisted boot, its not down to the track rod end coming loose is it, I take it the car still steers straight ahead OK?

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Post by rory_perrett » 11 May 2009, 22:17

The "polybag" covers the ram of the power assistance cylinder. It has a hole in it where the ram bolts to the steering rack at the n/s end. Must admit it does look a bit Heath Robinson but I assume it is there to keep muck of the ram and out of the seals.

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Post by Toby_HDi » 24 May 2009, 20:36

Ok I had a look at the rack today.

Put car up on stands, wheels off and got underneath. Went to take the pipes off to find that it is the one size I don't have in a flare nut spanner. The ordinary spanner would have just rounded it off. I then went to remove the trackrods, one go at them and I said sod it, they are one ridiculously tight and there isn't much nut to get a purchase on, I would have just chewed it up.

While I was underneath I did take a good look at the gaiter, it really will need replacing, it's all scrunched up and twisted, offering no protection at all really.

Anyway, I had to dash off somewhere so I put everything back together and spread some grease around the rack and ram on the end that is the issue, again the issue is still there though. I started the job full of hope and enthusiasm but once again I've left it. As I've said before, if I had a proper workshop then it wouldn't be so bad. Out on the road on stands its going to be a pain in the proverbial

Anyway I started it up to let the suspension on high to recover my jack and 30 seconds after doing so the revs dropped, it sounded rattly and nasty, then as quickly as it started the revs came back up and all was fine. So I thought nothing of it

Drove to Bournemouth and on way there heard what seemed like something dragging under the car, on stopping and looking I could see nothing and on moving off again the sound ceased.

Halfway to Bournemouth the car was getting rattly and something was squeaking. As the temperature rose I was very concerned that my waterpump had gone, even though it was only replaced in January. This was quickly ruled out as the temperature went down again on clearing traffic. It was just the combination of traffic and hot weather. Something was squeaking though and it was matched with engine revs. I could also smell burning. By this time I was concerned but arrived at my destination (Tesco in Bournemouth) and went to get my new phone.

On returning to the car I popped the bonnet to look at the aux belt as I was suspicious of this. It was then I spotted what looked like tape/plastic wedged between the belt and the automatic tensioner. On trying to retrieve it I found that it was infact metal and was well and truly wedged.

What followed was some impromptu spannering in the car park of Tesco's :lol:

I whipped the aux belt off to allow me to retrieve the metal. I am surprised the belt survived as it has scored the tensioner wheel quite badly. There was also a lot of it down there. On recovering it was clearly burnt, thus the burning smell. It seems like it is part of the tensioner wheel and that this is breaking up. I will try to get some pictures up in a bit.

I popped the belt back on (after much pondering due to forgetting the routing and also much swearing as it had to be done with the arch liiner in situ as I didn't have a pair of pliers to to enable me to get home and it has held so far. If it is the tensioner then it'll need replacing and I will chuck a new belt on also on the safe side.

Just seems like one thing after another with this car :lol:

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Post by Toby_HDi » 24 May 2009, 21:02

Also noticed the rack heat shield had not been refitted properly :evil:

What is wrong with some garages?!

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Post by MikeT » 25 May 2009, 17:55

So you're not having much luck right now? Sorry I couldn't come over to help, got too much to do at the moment.

At least you've discovered what and why the problem exists. When you next plan to tackle it, give me some notice and I'll lend my support if I can.

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Post by Toby_HDi » 09 Jun 2009, 00:35

Well, the Xantia is no more. Not in my ownership anyway.

Had a hectic couple of weeks and during the time I lost confidence in the car. So I've now sold it. The buyer seemed to be a Citroen lover and has facilities that I don't have to sort anything that needs doing. Didn't want to but had to be done in the end. It remains to be seen if the green blood proves to have a strong pull on me again.

Presently I am driving a Vauxhall Omega. It's a 2.5 V6 CDX. Very nice and comfortable. Dare I say it, just as comfortable as my HDi was. I suspect it has air suspension. Has almost every single gadget you could think of and I am quite pleased in the price I paid for it. It is also giving me my first experince of lazy motoring :D being an automatic. Have to say I've gotten used to it but I still do prefer a manual.

So I am now on the look out for another Omega, this one has to be a 3.0 V6 Elite, preferably with a manual box. Hopefully I'll find one.

I would still like to frequent FCF and hope that even though I am no longer a Citroen owner that you'll all still have me :lol: have had lots of great help from people on here in the past.

Ps. Am I still welcome to the DS/SM Rally in a Non-Citroen :lol: :roll: :twisted:

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Post by CitroJim » 09 Jun 2009, 06:15

Sorry to hear that you have (hopefully temporarily)left the fold Toby but I'm sure you'll be back in something French very soon :wink:

I hope the Vauxhall will fit the bill for you and at least you've gone for a V6 :D

Yes, you're more than welcome to stick around the FCF, I'd be disappointed if you didn't!

And you're more than welcome at the DSM whatever you're driving because once a Citroen owner, always a Citroen owner and be sure the green blood will eventually draw you back...

Just one last thought, rather than another Vauxhall V6, look around for a V6 Peugeot 406 Coupe - you know that's what you want really :D

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Post by DickieG » 09 Jun 2009, 17:13

Sorry to hear you've left the Citroën fold, but speaking as someone who has extensive experience of dozens of V6 Omega's, particularly the 3.0 litre ones bear in mind that they have a tendency to throw cambelts at quite low mileage (70,000 was common), I'm not sure why as they were company car's serviced with no expense spared. Also check for tyre wear on the inside shoulder (not just the edge) as front wishbones wear out quickly which was wearing out a set of front tyres within 1600 miles.

Before buying a 3.0 Omega with a manual gearbox make sure you drive it first as they are an absolute pig to drive smoothly due to an over sensitive throttle movement :evil: , oh and the later facelift models are even worse :shock: .

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Post by red_dwarfers » 09 Jun 2009, 19:37

It'll be great to see you at the DSM rally Toby, even sans Citroen :D Putting face to names and all that.
Did you ever find out what those bits of metal were in the end?

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Post by Toby_HDi » 10 Jun 2009, 20:05

CitroJim wrote: Just one last thought, rather than another Vauxhall V6, look around for a V6 Peugeot 406 Coupe - you know that's what you want really
Indeed, however having been in the market recently I have concluded that I will need to save to get a decent one. I went a saw a couple last month up for just under £1500 and both needed quite a few jobs doing to get them up to scratch. Due to that and the fact that Omegas are relatively cheaper I'm after a 3.0 Omega to run until then.

I will be saving and come March I will purchase something so watch this space.
DickieG wrote:...bear in mind that they have a tendency to throw cambelts at quite low mileage (70,000 was common)...Also check for tyre wear on the inside shoulder (not just the edge) as front wishbones wear out quickly which was wearing out a set of front tyres within 1600 miles.

...and the later facelift models are even worse Shocked
Yes, the service interval was lowered from 80,000 to 40,000 (I have had a Vectra V6 before) they seem ok as long as it is done promptly, I always err on the side of caution anyway and get it done sooner.

:lol: I'm not so keen on the facelift models so will be looking for the mini-facelift anyway
red_dwarfers wrote:It'll be great to see you at the DSM rally Toby, even sans Citroen Very Happy Putting face to names and all that.
Did you ever find out what those bits of metal were in the end?
Indeed, I shall almost certainly be coming. Shall be driving up Sunday methinks. Are there any plans for a convoy and a meeting place once we''re up there? As for the metal fragments, no I did not. That one had me baffled.

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Post by red_dwarfers » 10 Jun 2009, 20:18

According to the Citroenian, the 'proper' convoy will be just before Saturday lunchtime and we'll be armed with our packed lunch boxes for a munch somewhere pictureque.

We could have our own little FCF convoy on the Sunday 8) With regards to identifying members...that could be interesting. To find vince I plan on looking on the underside of all the Xantias to find which one is waxoiled :lol: :lol:
Can't be many people with a white Xantia on an 08 plate (me)