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Post by DickieG » 07 May 2010, 18:58

CitroJim wrote:I'm STILL having trouble levelling it

Now that will test anyones patience enough to make even a Nun swear! It took me literally weeks to get your red one level, each time I finished adjusting it it'd be level, that is until I drove it the next day :evil:
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Post by CitroJim » 07 May 2010, 19:19

DickieG wrote:
CitroJim wrote:I'm STILL having trouble levelling it

Now that will test anyones patience enough to make even a Nun swear! It took me literally weeks to get your red one level, each time I finished adjusting it it'd be level, that is until I drove it the next day :evil:


You did a good job Richard :D It's still beautifully level to this day :wink:

I'm so desperate I had thoughts of digging a pit in my driveway, possibly to bury the car :evil:
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Post by DickieG » 08 May 2010, 07:38

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CitroJim wrote:I'm STILL having trouble levelling it

Now that will test anyones patience enough to make even a Nun swear! It took me literally weeks to get your red one level, each time I finished adjusting it it'd be level, that is until I drove it the next day :evil:


You did a good job Richard :D It's still beautifully level to this day :wink:

I'm so desperate I had thoughts of digging a pit in my driveway, possibly to bury the car :evil:

Luckily for me my drive is absolutely level, I drove the front of the car up on ramps to do it, the best advice is to adjust it just a small amount at a time. You're obviously welcome to use my facilities if it'll be of help.
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Post by CitroJim » 08 May 2010, 19:01

DickieG wrote: You're obviously welcome to use my facilities if it'll be of help.


Thanks Richard :D Trouble is, the car is still sans MOT and I'm not keen to take it for an MOT until it is more or less level. I'm sure the MOT tester won't be best impressed with a lop-sided Activa :D

I was hoping to have another go today but the weather has been really awful up here and I've stayed indoors.

Still, at least it enabled me to finally write up my Activa Ram Repair Guide and publish it on my website.

Last Saturday I reported on an epic struggle with a friends' 306 rear brakes. I'm pleased to say the car passed it's MOT and in return for my help the owner bought me a little present. A biography of Andre Citroen
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I was well pleased. It's a great book and very interesting. I never knew he had Jewish parentage... The book was written in 1996 and in the forward the writer speaks of how proud Andre would have been of the [then very new] Xantia Activa as an example of how the company were still following his mantra for producing advanced cars...

This week I finally won an eBay auction. Normally I never have a lot of luck there but this time I did and won a SEEM gauge for tensioning cambelts :D

SEEMs my luck is on the change. lets hope it lasts out and tomorrow dawns dry and fine and I can finally get my Activa project on the level...
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Post by CitroJim » 09 May 2010, 20:07

Luck was with me. I've finally levelled Project Activa and learned a lot in the process.

When I started, the front ride height was far too high and the car was well tilted to the offside. It was riding so high as to have no movement in the front suspension.

Previously, I had initially set up the roll corrector rod lengths precisely as per the official Citroen words.

Whilst jacking it up to get ramps under the front wheels, they steered all by themselves over to the nearside :? What on earth was going on...

Firstly. I tried to reset the ride height and failed. It would not change. The HC was OK I knew. Then I noticed the ram was fully compressed whereas it should have been sitting about half way. I wondered if I had the hoses around the wrong way but I confirmed they were right.

To cut a long story short, the Activa system was so far out of adjustment, despite being set up as per the official words, that the rams were compressed fully and this was both upsetting the height correctors and causing the bizarre steering behavior. Logical really after giving it some thought.

The official words on how to set up the roll corrector is not helpful and does not really work. I've now worked out how to get it initially roughly right using the two setting holes in the roll corrector quadrant and some lateral thinking. This will get it near enough. Furthermore I reckon I can do better next time using special setting blocks under the front wheels. I must do some experiments and report back.

I do know now that until the system is more or less correctly set up, both lean and ride height will be all over the place and it's near impossible to get it right using the "tweak and hope" method due to the interdependencies.

A few more tweaks of the bottle screws and the ride height has the car riding more or less level but it's still not 100% level to my satisfaction. Some more tweaking is still needed to get it absolutely spot-on. It's good enough for now though.

The car drives a treat and is now ready for an MOT. I shall do just that during the week, work permitting.

I did want to bleed the brakes before the MOT but found to my horror that both front nipples and one rear nipple are so badly rounded that a spanner will go nowhere near them. At some point I'll have to replace the nipples :twisted:

N2XAN could be back on the road next week.... Watch this space!
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Post by Xaccers » 09 May 2010, 21:18

Airsoft on the 23rd if you want to come along after 4:30 and use the ramps Jim :)

Or come earlier and join in the shooting :D
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Post by CitroJim » 09 May 2010, 21:31

Xac wrote:Or come earlier and join in the shooting :D


Had I not got 'XAN levelled today, I'd have been tempted to offer it to you for target practice Xac :lol:

With my new knowledge of levelling, it might be an idea to have a look at Juliet again in that department....
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Post by CitroJim » 11 May 2010, 21:15

Well, that's it. XAN goes for an MOT on Friday and all is ready.

I really wanted to bleed the brakes and took the bull by the horns and replaced the bleed nipples. The front ones looked in shocking condition and I was fully prepared to have to remove the calipers and carry out surgery.

I Plus-Gassed and hammered a 7mm socket onto each nipple and they came out without any problem at all. Result :D

I discovered that the nipples are not like standard motor factor replacements, especially the rears, so if you have to replace a nipple the genuine Citroen items should be used. I "borrowed" some from my stash of spare calipers.

Brakes bled, they work much better now. Plenty of air in the rears. In doing the rears I tried doing it without the engine running to test a theory about a method of testing an Anti-Sink sphere. It seems to work...

So, after months of work, the light at the end of the tunnel is now visible. Gosh it was a long dark tunnel :twisted: :twisted:
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Post by vince » 12 May 2010, 00:25

Congrats Jim, another challenge seen off via determination and perserverance.

P.s. The Andre Citroen book sounds good :wink:
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Post by myglaren » 14 May 2010, 15:23

Well?
Did it pass?
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Post by CitroJim » 14 May 2010, 16:17

myglaren wrote:Well?
Did it pass?


YESSSSSSSSSSSSS :D :D :D :D :D :D And with only three minor advisories..

Considering everything, a result!

Gosh, I've been a bag of nerves for two days, unable to do anything of value...

I's terrible at MOT time. Stress comes back with vengeance and I almost fall to pieces.

Got it all again in two weeks when the V6 goes in for her MOT :twisted: :twisted:
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Post by myglaren » 14 May 2010, 16:35

Well done Jim, all the hard work paid off in the end.
Will you be using it to the rally?
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Post by MikeT » 14 May 2010, 17:22

Well done Jim though I didn't doubt it would pass. What were the advisories and was it your usual tester or someone new?
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Post by DickieG » 14 May 2010, 18:47

CitroJim wrote:
myglaren wrote:I's terrible at MOT time. Stress comes back with vengeance and I almost fall to pieces.

What is it about MOT's that makes me feel as if I'm the accused in court awaiting the verdict as if I'm really guilty and hoping for a result? :?
Strange when in all my time of driving that the only fail I've ever had was due to rust on a C15D (no surprise there :lol: ).
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Post by jgra1 » 14 May 2010, 20:23

well done Jim :D

I got my second of the month yesterday!! the new guys seem to give me an easy time so far!
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