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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by van ordinaire » 19 May 2017, 12:52

I hit on this idea years ago, when thinking of retro-fitting a rear wash/wipe. My idea was that if the rear wiper was on, selecting reverse would switch it from its normal, effectively delay, mode to something akin to normal wiper speed. Of course, the switching is actually the easy bit!
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by myglaren » 19 May 2017, 16:33

The rear wiper on the C5 estates do that too. Mine did - occasionally :roll:
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by Hell Razor5543 » 19 May 2017, 16:49

On my C5 the rear wiper stopped working. I found that the fuse had NOT blown, but had (on the fuse and the contacts in the fuse box) got a load of tarnish. Swapping the fuse in and out several times seems to have sorted that problem out.
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by Zelandeth » 19 May 2017, 17:58

You think multiplexed electronics are a pain on a car - wait till you've tried to figure out a multiplexing issue on a bus - especially one where the engine and all the control units are at the back - but all the control inputs are of course at the front!

We had fun sorting that out...turned out to be dodgy wiring was causing one of the clock lines to periodically glitch, suffice to say that resulted in all manner of garbage appearing on the data bus and some truly bizarre faults appearing as a result.

Of course it was an intermittent fault as well wasn't it!
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by Mandrake » 19 May 2017, 17:59

CitroJim wrote:I found an interesting little 'feature' on the Pug of Love :) I first noticed it on Wednesday and again last evening on the way home from my normal Thursday evening run with the Redway Runners...

If it's raining and the front wipers are on, when you engage reverse gear the rear wiper starts up!

I think that's incredibly neat and clever :)

I noticed on my Ion that the front intermittent wipe settings are speed sensitive!

The delay is about twice as long when the car is stopped than when you are moving. Not sure that I see the use of that on the front window.

What would be more useful is an intermittent wipe on the rear window that stops above about 40mph when the slipstream diverts the rain from the rear window, but I haven't seen a car with that seemingly obvious feature yet...
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 19 May 2017, 18:04

Mandrake wrote:What would be more useful is an intermittent wipe on the rear window that stops above about 40mph when the slipstream diverts the rain from the rear window, but I haven't seen a car with that seemingly obvious feature yet...


Good thinking Simon! It is obvious when you think of it... It's one of those thing that so far, nobody has.. I'd have thought it would be easy to implement too...

Patent it quick - you could make a fortune from it ;)

Zelandeth wrote:You think multiplexed electronics are a pain on a car - wait till you've tried to figure out a multiplexing issue on a bus - especially one where the engine and all the control units are at the back - but all the control inputs are of course at the front!


The stuff of nightmares Zel, especially what caused it and the fact it was intermittent... :evil: The very worst!

Did it put any good messages on the destination boards or did they just go all corrupt?
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by Zelandeth » 19 May 2017, 18:18

Don't get me started on destination blinds - especially the hellspawn to come out of the factories of Brite-tec. Don't think I've ever come across one that behaved.

What we had was basically a total and complete corruption of the data stream between everything in the cab and the bus itself. You'd be driving along all fine, then suddenly all hell would break loose, the ventilation system would develop a mind of its own, half the dash would light up like a Christmas tree (or just die entirely), and the engine would either decide to stop responding to the throttle at all, would decide that dropping into neutral and bouncing itself off the rev limiter was a good idea, or would sit there ramping itself between idle and max rpm repeatedly. You'd pull the engine stop lever, turn off the master switch, wait ten seconds, power the bus back up and it would all be back to normal.

Problem was that nothing showed up in the fault logs, and it took us forever to actually make it do it so we could witness the madness for ourselves.

Root cause of the issue? Poor quality cable loom clips.
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by daviemck2006 » 19 May 2017, 20:24

Was it an Alexander Dennis Zel? I found them always to have a mi d of their own.

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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by Zelandeth » 19 May 2017, 21:36

Nope, worse! Optare Versa.

Have you ever had the misfortune as to ever have to figure out how on earth to start an Optare Solo? I still reckon to this day that they couldn't have made it more obtuse if they had honestly tried.

If it was meant to stop kids nicking the bus it didn't work either - few years back someone nicked a Solo from Bluebird's depot in Aberdeen in the middle of the night - not left running either, they actually started it and made off with it. No bus drivers in the family either...Few of us had a good brainstorming session as to how on earth they figured out how to start the thing!

Best Optare moment I've encountered though was in an ex-demonstrator Spectra (based around Scania running gear if I remember rightly, *might* have been DAF though). Being an ex demo vehicle, it had *all* the toys fitted, including cruise control (yes, on a city bus). While this initially just seemed an amusing curio, it didn't take long for someone at the depot to figure out an unexpected "feature" to the cruise system. If you set it to a given speed and then pressed resume, the computer system would proceed to calculate the fastest possible way to get back to that speed - completely irrespective of the normal gearbox behaviour, conservative rev limiter settings, available traction or G-forces that the human body can tolerate. I was told on that occasion away from a set of lights to let the brake off, and hit resume as soon as we were rolling. I got the fright of my life as the thing catapulted itself off the line faster than anything weighing north of ten tonnes has any right to. You should not be able to out-accelerate cars off the line in a double decker bus...

Sadly that one was a rental vehicle so it was only in our area for a couple of weeks, during which I only got to drive it twice. Comedy cruise control aside, was actually quite a nice thing to drive - Seem to recall my main irritating was that the indicators had a habit of not self cancelling and there was no (sufficiently) audible tell tale for them, and the light on the dash was tiny. Apparently the fuel economy was dire as well...I wonder why...
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by Hell Razor5543 » 19 May 2017, 21:39

0 - 60 in "Jesus Christ!".
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by Zelandeth » 19 May 2017, 21:57

Hell Razor5543 wrote:0 - 60 in "Jesus Christ!".


More like 0-30...it ran out of revs at about 55...but yes, I can't remember exactly what I said at the time, but I suspect it would fall foul of the swear filter if I tried to repeat it. I do recall a few seconds later after regaining my composure (yeah right...I never had any of that to start with), I blinked a couple of times before making the declaration "That doesn't seem physically possible!"
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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by daviemck2006 » 19 May 2017, 23:14

The first time I had to drive a solo, i was doing the 300 Banff and Macduff town service for Deverob Coaches in a spanking new 56 reg solo. I turned up at 8 15 for a 8 30 start, no one else in the depot and i couldnt figure out how it started. I had to go into Stagecoach next door (where I used to work) and get someone in there in the know to show me. O the shame of it lol

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Re: Citrojim's Activa, 1.9TD, 207 and Bike Tales

Post by mickeymoon » 19 May 2017, 23:24

Zelandeth wrote:
Hell Razor5543 wrote:0 - 60 in "Jesus Christ!".


More like 0-30...it ran out of revs at about 55...but yes, I can't remember exactly what I said at the time, but I suspect it would fall foul of the swear filter if I tried to repeat it. I do recall a few seconds later after regaining my composure (yeah right...I never had any of that to start with), I blinked a couple of times before making the declaration "That doesn't seem physically possible!"


Odd you should say that. I *swear* when I activate cruise on the Berlingo, say if it's set at 75mph, and I activate it at 50mph, it accelerates considerably quicker than I can make it do with my foot. It's as though the cruise calls up some mystery parameters in the ECU for boost and fuelling!
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Post by elma » 19 May 2017, 23:40

My Xantia is rather intelligent in that sense. Hit resume with the gearbox in normal mode and it accelerates in a civilised manner. Do the same thing with the gearbox in sports mode and it picks up speed fairly rapidly. I found it amusing when I was getting to know the car but nowadays cruise control is for civilised mode only. Not tried it in winter mode yet, maybe tomorrow.
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Post by daviemck2006 » 19 May 2017, 23:42

mickeymoon wrote:
Zelandeth wrote:
Hell Razor5543 wrote:0 - 60 in "Jesus Christ!".


More like 0-30...it ran out of revs at about 55...but yes, I can't remember exactly what I said at the time, but I suspect it would fall foul of the swear filter if I tried to repeat it. I do recall a few seconds later after regaining my composure (yeah right...I never had any of that to start with), I blinked a couple of times before making the declaration "That doesn't seem physically possible!"


Odd you should say that. I *swear* when I activate cruise on the Berlingo, say if it's set at 75mph, and I activate it at 50mph, it accelerates considerably quicker than I can make it do with my foot. It's as though the cruise calls up some mystery parameters in the ECU for boost and fuelling!

My 407 is like that too. If i come out of a village at 30 and hit resume its like a scalded cat, more scalded than i can kick it lol

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