Citrojim's Activa, 207 and Bike Tales

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Stickyfinger » 19 Feb 2017, 19:21

Cannot be doing with "the Carpenters" when I really want "Motorhead" :)

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CitroJim wrote:Alasdair, when I'm driving I have no need to read what track I'm listening to. My ears tell me all I need to know...


How do you choose a new album/track/artist from the 350 Albums of choice on your player ?


I don't have that many, even at home! I put only around about 300 carefully chosen tracks on my players... I put the whole lot on repeat shuffle ;)

No problem... It looks after itself...


No DJ "music types" or "mood" select ?....another good feature I use a lot.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 19 Feb 2017, 19:31

No, my choice of music on my player suits any mood I'm in just perfectly.

I only have one mood anyway ;)
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Stickyfinger » 19 Feb 2017, 19:41

My moods are dependant on the road ahead Jim, my music needs vary to much maybe.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 20 Feb 2017, 09:31

Like a lot of things I just let it all wash over me these days Alasdair. I just can't be bothered to get agitated any more...
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Stickyfinger » 20 Feb 2017, 10:06

I think more people get agitated with me and my lane selection at roundabouts when I do not know where I am going Jim :)
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 20 Feb 2017, 13:54

Gabriel's cooling fans are playing up again... They now run continuously AFTER the ignition is switched off and stop when the ignition is on :roll: :? :lol:

I'll take a look late this afternoon but aren't old Xantias and their electrics fun :roll: :twisted: Apart from that's she's running very sweetly...
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 20 Feb 2017, 17:58

I'm really puzzled over Gabriel's fans. I had a quick look this afternoon when I had an odd few minutes spare - it's been a very busy day - and find with the ignition on and engine running they behave 100% normally... They run if the Bitron sensor is disconnected and also run if the aircon switch is operated - all normal stuff...

However then one relay relay -under the control of the Bitron ECU - operates when the ignition is switched off or is in the Aux position...

No rhyme nor reason... Looks like either the Bitron ECU is playing up or it's responding to duff inputs. It's hard to tell given how inaccessible it is...

For now I've arranged a 'work around' to ignition switch the supply to the (mis) operating relay. That works but I now have a new bit of bizarreness - the fans now run for a few seconds on initial ignition-on and then go off and behave normally; it's almost like it's a Power-On Self-Test (POST) of the fans!

I must now sit down with all the wiring diagrams and see if I can find a potential cause...

Glad I noticed the fans running merrily away this morning when I returned to it from shopping... I didn't realise it was Gabriel at first and though it might be another car in the car park... It was only when it happened again I realised.

Had I not noticed the battery would have been flat in no time...
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by daviemck2006 » 20 Feb 2017, 18:26

Gabriel's cooling fans are being as erratic as activas heating fan. Next try is definately doing a relay for it to see if that cured it. Is there an easy place to get a wire through the bulkhead so I can get a feed direct from the battery?

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 20 Feb 2017, 19:06

No Davie, there's no need. You can pick up a direct one under the steering column when you do the mod as directed ;)
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Stickyfinger » 20 Feb 2017, 19:34

Do you think you need any bits Jim ?
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Zelandeth » 20 Feb 2017, 23:09

That's the exact behaviour that led to me fitting g the switch on the front, Jim. Of course it happened in the middle of The Month From Hell when I was virtually commuting between Aberdeen and MK, hence I had no time to look at it. First happed in the Insch Medical Practice car park, and had to be dealt with using naught but what I had in the boot.

I am *really* curious to hear what the cause is, as I couldn't find any logical reason for it looking at the wiring diagrams and what voltages I was seeing at the relay sockets...Granted, I was rather more worried about other things at the time.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 21 Feb 2017, 05:22

Stickyfinger wrote:Do you think you need any bits Jim ?


Yes, a whole fan assembly, casing and loom plus a Bitron ECU Alasdair ;) About the only way I can then guarantee reliable fans again!

Zelandeth wrote:I am *really* curious to hear what the cause is, as I couldn't find any logical reason for it looking at the wiring diagrams and what voltages I was seeing at the relay sockets....


So am I Zel, I will get to the bottom of it. Just like I'll get to the bottom of what ails the 207... You're right, it's just not logical... At this time it just makes no sense at all...
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by RichardW » 21 Feb 2017, 08:51

Can't see it's anything other than the Bitron..... unless there's a high resistance to earth somewhere, or the cables are rubbed through and you're getting a spurious voltage on a wire somewhere. Or it's just possessed!
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Mandrake » 21 Feb 2017, 10:22

I haven't studied the circuit diagrams to see how it's done, but remember chaps that the fans CAN run when the key is turned off, by design.

Normally if the temperature is high enough to trigger the high speed fan while the engine is running, (>97 degrees) the fans will run at low speed when the ignition is turned off, until it cools below the high speed fan cutoff. (There doesn't seem to be a timeout either except cooling down, so it can run for a long time when the coolant isn't flowing!)

From this I presume the Bitron must have a permanent live power supply. So if for some reason the Bitron thinks the temperature is above 97 when the key is off it will run the fans on slow.

I'd identify this circuit that allows low fan speed with the key off and start troubleshooting there. Can you post the full circuit diagram for the fans Jim for a looksee ?
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 21 Feb 2017, 10:46

Shame is Richard, the Bitron ECU is such a pain to swap, being buried down under the LH headlamp and then under the front plastic panel.. It's a right 'mare to get to, needing most of the front of the car to be stripped!

But I agree, it has to be No.1 suspect...

But, having said that, I know the fan loom is a bit iffy as I've now had to bypass two wires in it.
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