Citrojim's Activa, 207 and Bike Tales

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by elma » 01 Nov 2016, 13:48

I would imagine that if you set the car to the standard height with the normal measurements it will lower it by just the right amount.
I'm wondering if this will affect the ride at all? We all know raising a Xantia to off road height makes it hard so possibly lowering it will make it softer.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 01 Nov 2016, 16:20

James, it'll be a good experiment to try...

Main risk is going too low and bottoming...
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by daviemck2006 » 01 Nov 2016, 16:37

What is the actual correct height, and how do you measure it?

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Mandrake » 01 Nov 2016, 17:21

daviemck2006 wrote:What is the actual correct height, and how do you measure it?

These should answer your questions, the first in particular, but the others included for interest. :)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/782 ... ension.pdf

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/782 ... ontrol.pdf

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/782 ... l%20SC.pdf

Of course you don't need the fancy tools that Citroen claim you do. :lol: All you need is an 11mm socket and ratchet with a small extension, and a little cunning to make small careful adjustments...

The other important thing to getting it spot on is always take two measurements - one after it corrects itself down the other after it corrects itself up and take the mid point between the two as your measurement. This eliminates the hysteresis in the mechanism which would otherwise skew your reading quite a bit.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by daviemck2006 » 01 Nov 2016, 19:23

I think I understand all that, certainly understand enough to measure it. Mow I need a 4 post ramp, or one end on the ramps and jack the other end and let it down onto blocks a similar height. Presumably the car would have to be level to get an accurate measurement?

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by myglaren » 01 Nov 2016, 19:27

You're not going to start slammin' Activas now are you.
Next thing you'll be sticking pineapples on them :(
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 01 Nov 2016, 19:30

daviemck2006 wrote: Presumably the car would have to be level to get an accurate measurement?



Yes, it does help a lot... Be aware the adjustments are very critical and leave plenty of time on an Activa for things to settle and to get a true height. I find it best to go high, then low, high and then normal again before being satisfied with a new height setting...

It ccan be a frustrating and lengthy job to get it all spot on and then, again on an Activa, you hope it's not caused it to lean :twisted:

Adjusting Activa lean is real 'fun' :wink:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 01 Nov 2016, 19:30

myglaren wrote:You're not going to start slammin' Activas now are you.
Next thing you'll be sticking pineapples on them :(


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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by elma » 01 Nov 2016, 19:46

I can't tell from the pictures but if the wheels are bigger and the tyres are lower profile then a slightly softer ride would make everything the same. Could be good, possibly damping may need refining but I'm sure could be achieved fairly easily.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by daviemck2006 » 01 Nov 2016, 21:18

I certainly won't be slamming it, or adding pineapples lol. I just would like to know if it is at the proper height. It probably would look better a little lower but I won't be changing it unless it is significantly different from what it should be. The ride is still excellent for me, I can't really tell much difference from the 15's. The steering feels slightly sharper.

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 02 Nov 2016, 06:34

Davie, a good quick and dirty test of correct ride height is the finger test... You should be able to get three fingers between the top of the tyre and the wheelarch edge at the front and barely one little pinkie at the rear...
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Mandrake » 03 Nov 2016, 10:23

Depends how fat your fingers are though ? :-D

I've always felt if you're going to go to the trouble of adjusting the height, you might as well measure it properly. It is pretty critical for good ride quality as I have recently re-confirmed when I adjusted mine.

You can do one end at a time using ramps - that's how I do mine. First I measure the height while still on flat level ground to find out what the error is using the Citroen recommended measurement method (that includes measuring the height of the centre of the wheel) and take note of that. Remember to measure up and down corrections and take the midpoint or you will get significant errors.

Then drive the end of the car up onto ramps. This time measure the distance from the bottom lip of the wheel rim through the centre axis of the wheel to the wheel arch above it. Remember to measure both after an up and down correction and take the mid point. Take note of this and add or subtract the error you measured while it was on the ground. Now you know what your rim to wheel arch target should be.

Make the adjustment until you get this right. You can verify the measurement back on the ground again after you're finished but I've found this ramp method works very well provided you always take up and down measurements and take the mid point, so I don't even bother to recheck it once it is back on the ground.

An up measurement is taken by physically lifting the end of the car a bit until it starts to get heavy, let go, wait until it rises then measure. A down measurement is taken by sitting on the end of the car until it rises, getting off, waiting until it drops then measuring.

Simples! :)
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 03 Nov 2016, 10:31

Simon, that's an excellent guide to the job :D

I shall make good use of it when I do Gabriel ;)
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Mandrake » 03 Nov 2016, 10:41

I should add that the way I make small adjustments to the ride height in the order of millimetres is pretty simple - when you slacken the bolt on the clamp there is a little bit of play in the rotation of the clamp - just twist it with your fingers in the correct direction then tighten the bolt again while you hold it rotated in that direction. Doing this will change the height by approximately 3-5mm each time. After doing that you can re-measure (up and down measurements) and do it again if necessary to creep it towards the correct position a few mm at a time rather than ending up with large random changes in height each time you adjust it.

For a larger shift of 10mm or more what I do is loosen the clamp and then push or pull the car up or down physically then gently let go - friction in the suspension movement will cause it to come to rest approximately 10mm from where you started, then just tighten the clamp with it in a neutral position and you'll get about a 10mm shift. A combination of these two techniques lets me get it spot on within a couple of millimetres very quickly with only 2-3 adjustments.

I've found if you always measure up and down measurements and take the mid point that the measurement to measurement repeatability is also very high - I can do the lifting and sitting thing, taking measurements, work out the mid point, then repeat it again a couple more times and get the same measurement within 1-2 mm at the most, which is a good sign that you're getting valid measurements when you're trying to make small adjustments.

No fancy Citroen tools required. ;)
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 03 Nov 2016, 10:52

Simon, your next challenge: level an Activa ;) :twisted: :lol:

It makes height setting a simple, easy task!
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