Citrojim's Ka, Saxo and Bike Tales

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 28 Oct 2016, 17:59

Thanks James but already checked that when it first started doing it a while back...

Plus Robyn's is a much earlier build. Hers is a 2007 model...

I reckon a new BSI (BSM) may be the only solution... I may take it to bits and look for bad (dry) joints and other issues when I have some time...

Bet a new BSI costs a fortune :(

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 28 Oct 2016, 18:00

James, I used to love rum when I could drink. You're making me jealous now...

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by wheeler » 28 Oct 2016, 19:10

CitroJim wrote:
I reckon a new BSI (BSM) may be the only solution... I may take it to bits and look for bad (dry) joints and other issues when I have some time...
:(

The BSI & BSM are two different things. The BSI is the body control module inside the car, the BSM is the under bonnet fuse box, The BSM also integrates the old 'double' relay function too.
Cant imagine that a BSI would cause the car to cut out but the BSM certainly could, The good news is the BSM is not a coded part.

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Hell Razor5543 » 28 Oct 2016, 19:13

CitroJim wrote:James, I used to love rum when I could drink. You're making me jealous now...

The problem is that I cannot drink either, due to the amount of driving I do. I would consider storing it until Tuesday/Wednesday (my days off), but cold milky alcoholic tea won't keep, so it is going to waste!

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by RichardW » 28 Oct 2016, 19:16

Post up the VIN Jim, I'll find the part no and the price for the BSM - looks like 3 different parts, from £90 to £230....

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by myglaren » 28 Oct 2016, 19:18

Hell Razor5543 wrote:
CitroJim wrote:James, I used to love rum when I could drink. You're making me jealous now...

The problem is that I cannot drink either, due to the amount of driving I do. I would consider storing it until Tuesday/Wednesday (my days off), but cold milky alcoholic tea won't keep, so it is going to waste!


Put it in the freezer James :)

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Hell Razor5543 » 28 Oct 2016, 19:34

myglaren wrote:
Hell Razor5543 wrote:
CitroJim wrote:James, I used to love rum when I could drink. You're making me jealous now...

The problem is that I cannot drink either, due to the amount of driving I do. I would consider storing it until Tuesday/Wednesday (my days off), but cold milky alcoholic tea won't keep, so it is going to waste!


Put it in the freezer James :)

Erm, the alcohol would prevent it freezing, wouldn't it? I would also have to use the landlords' freezer (as I don't have one), and he does enjoy an occasional good drink!

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Stickyfinger » 28 Oct 2016, 21:18

Add it to Jelly

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 28 Oct 2016, 21:47

RichardW wrote:Post up the VIN Jim, I'll find the part no and the price for the BSM - looks like 3 different parts, from £90 to £230....


Thanks Richard, I will do just that tomorrow.. Much appreciated :D Only just seen as I've not long since returned from karate training...

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 29 Oct 2016, 08:39

My task for this morning: see if I can sort out Gabriel's cooling fans. Currently only one works and it has to be manually operated via a switch under the bonnet. It was a pain when I had to stop a couple of times on the way home from Somerset to firstly switch on the fan in queuing traffic and then stop and switch it off when the queue had gone! At worst I'll put a switch on the dash...

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Chris570 » 29 Oct 2016, 08:57

If you put a switch on the dash I'll link it to the horn.... I'm sure we can sort it the old fashioned way if needed

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 29 Oct 2016, 13:20

Found the problem. An open circuit in the loom to the RH fan relay...

Without removing the aircon condenser, intercooler and rad it's impossible to get at so I'm working on a bypass method.

I've knocked up a crude 'proof of concept' and it works a treat. Now got to make it a proper job.

Basically, I'm bypasing the O/C wire by tapping into it just downwind of the E Maxi-Fuse and wiring a piggy-back relay base to the existing relay base with three connections going to the good wiring in the existing relay base and the bypass feed going direct to the relay...

I'll do a couple of photos when I've made it decent...

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Zelandeth » 29 Oct 2016, 13:43

Yep, that ties in with my findings, Jim. The LH motor is o/c as well which is why I'd done my weird cross-linking nonsense.

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by CitroJim » 29 Oct 2016, 17:10

Zelandeth wrote:The LH motor is o/c as well which is why I'd done my weird cross-linking nonsense.


No, both motors are fine I'm happy to find Zel... It looked O/C when I first checked it but it picks up its earth via one of the other relays and one of the relays may well have been dead too.

I've now done the job and all is working well. the fans come on when the Bitron (brown) sensor is disconnected and when the aircon button is pressed. I also got the engine nice and hot and watched the fans happily cut in and out ;D

here's how I worked around the situation:

Relay 'piggybacked' into the realy base but with the bypass feed from Fuse E going to it before final fitting...

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Where I tapped the bypass wire into the fan loom by the glowplug timer. I used a 'mod-tap' connector...

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Relay fitted - sort of! Thanks goodness for cable ties :lol:

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And finally, the bypass wire running along the top of the inner slam panel. It is important to fix this wire with care so that it stands no chance of getting tangled in the fans and dies not foul the bonnet closing...

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Final job was to put the fan guard back on...

I'm happier now it's done as I have a trip to Heathrow in it next Monday to meet Sian on her return from her Aussie holiday...

I'm sure I'll need working rad fans on that trip!

After I'd finished that job I went out for a lovely (and very much needed) bike ride :D

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Activa, 1.9TD and Bike Tales

Post by Zelandeth » 29 Oct 2016, 17:30

Well done Jim! Hopefully the fans behave now. Have to admit it's a long time since I investigated the fans, may be I didn't understand the ground path properly...at least they're working now anyhow, that's the main thing.