Citrojim's Ka, Saxo and Bike Tales

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by CitroJim » 30 Aug 2015, 16:50

Excellent progress today on the engine work..

Went from this:

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To this:

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Between that was the task of mounting the engine on the stand with some proper bolts which necessitated lifting it up on the crane again and replacing each temporary bolt in turn..

This is the mounting point on the stand:

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Having an engine up on a stand to work on is absolute bliss :-D

Now all ancillaries are off ready to give everything a good clean-up and overhaul. First up is camboxes to reseal and the extent of how badly the rear exhaust cambox was leaking can be seen here. The plug wells look more like oil wells!

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To do the camboxes the cam sprockets and hubs have to come off so the rear parts of the cam covers can be removed to give access. The cam hub bolts ( E10 Star Drive) are biblically tight and needed a breaker bar to shift them. Had the engine not been on a stand I don't think I could have cracked them off.

So, tomorrow is all set for the big clean-up and a start on the camboxes...

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by Stickyfinger » 30 Aug 2015, 17:49

Remember Jim, you can always "borrow" a bit or a bob off my one if you need quick.

This will be good to watch. Did you make the stand/engine adapter plate ?

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by CitroJim » 30 Aug 2015, 17:55

Thanks Alasdair, that's much appreciated :-D
Stickyfinger wrote: Did you make the stand/engine adapter plate ?
No, it's a standard stand of Chinese origin, same family as my crane and press... I got it in kit form though...

It really is a godsend!

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by Stickyfinger » 30 Aug 2015, 18:16

He, if it saves time or allows you to check another part.....anytime mate.

Cheers for the info on the stand....tempted

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by CitroJim » 30 Aug 2015, 18:21

If you're doing anything at all on an engine out of a car they are absolutely indispensable and worth every penny of their cost.. Happily they aren't hugely expensive...

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by DHallworth » 30 Aug 2015, 21:22

I didn't undo the E10's on my engine, Jim. I was petrified of breaking something. In the end I took the adjustable pulleys off and left the rest attached to the cam.

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Post by Northerner » 30 Aug 2015, 22:36

Pictures Jim ... i'm trying hard to follow [emoji9]

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by bxzx16v » 30 Aug 2015, 22:50

Great work Jim . Having the right tools for the job helps .

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by elma » 30 Aug 2015, 23:07

Wow thats a lot of engine when you see it from this angle.
I bet thats really satisfying work as well, enjoy yourself Jim.

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by Stickyfinger » 30 Aug 2015, 23:31

Found anything nasty Jim, anything worth checking on the pipes/fittings that should be looked at ?
What state was the water like ?, do these engines get build up in any of the water pipes ?

Questions questions :)

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by CitroJim » 31 Aug 2015, 04:22

Nothing nasty found just yet Alasdair bar the oil leaks from the cam boxes.. Today I'll have the camboxes off and see what the cams and interior look like...

One thing that's quite horrible is the engine wiring loom. All the outer plastic Anaconda tubing is badly hardened and cracking up so I'll have to re-do the loom. Thankfully the underlying wiring is fine, just the outer wrappings are rough... I'll be on the lookout for some pukka loom wrapping tape and learn the techniques to do it properly...

James, I really did enjoy myself :-D Won't enjoy myself quite so much during the cleanup of all the muck on the engine but will be enjoying myself once I start the reassembly!

Mike, I concentrated on stripping in this session. As I reassemble cleanly I'll be taking lots of pictures.

David, it's just those E10s that are tight, once off the hubs come off easily and it makes the job so much easier. I don't quite see how the camboxes can be properly resealed without removing the cam hubs...

Before the question is asked, I'm not painting any part of the engine. Firstly I'm allergic to paint and secondly I don't like painted engines - I prefer them as nature intended.

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by xantia_v6 » 31 Aug 2015, 08:36

I didn't take the cam hubs off when doing mine, the shafts lift out easily, and the seal can be guided back into place on reassembly.

I have seen the flexible conduit (very similar to the original) on sale somewhere, but I have forgotten where. Maybe Citroen still sell it.

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by CitroJim » 31 Aug 2015, 08:48

Your cam covers must be of a different design then Mike because there was no way I could life the cams out without removing the hubs...

Anaconda Conduit is available for electrical installations but won't stand the heat of an engine bay. I've decided to do a loom wrap now and not use it...

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by Stickyfinger » 31 Aug 2015, 09:23

Jim, borrow mine as a "master engine loom"....once its apart it will drive you nuts (more) :)

There are some very good loom wrapping solutions Jim. Water drainage is also important so a full wrap is not always best IMHO. Looking at the removed one this morning the grouping of related wires (with loom string) then their bundling together within a conduit that allows drainage seems a better way to do it.

Try some of the USA web sites (custom/race car supplies), they seem to have lots of very good solutions with materials to protect from oils/heat as well as armour and waterproof.
They are very good way to review some good wrapping/loom making tips/products lists.

A wooden loom clamp pole (a broom handle with 90deg clamps made from reusable cable ties on arms at each end) helps a lot at keeping the loom tight as you wrap BTW.
A cheap cloth dust sheet down on the floor, the old loom stretched out onit, then use a can of black primer to spray over it, remove the loon and you have an exact pattern you can fold away for the next session. Use white gaffer tape to apply notes such as "grommet here......90.deg tee piece break out....loom end seal....inline-fuze 30amp."

Some links:
http://www.techflex.com/prod_h2c.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.jegs.com/c/Tools-Garage-Gear ... 1/10002/-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia V6, C1 and Activa Tales

Post by CitroJim » 31 Aug 2015, 11:39

Excellent Alasdair, thanks!!!

Lots of cleaning done this morning. The oil wells are now dry :-D

Things are beginning to look sparkly, about three quarters of the hard work is now done.

I'll post up some pictures later..

Off swimming in a bit...