Citrojim's Activa, 207 and Bike Tales

Tell us your ongoing tales and experiences with your French car here. Post pictures of your car here as well.

Moderators: RichardW, myglaren

User avatar
Mandrake
Posts: 7169
Joined: 10 Apr 2005, 17:23
Location: North Lanarkshire, UK
My Cars:
x 83

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by Mandrake » 14 Sep 2014, 19:09

Thanks Jim, are you sure that's the right code though ? According to the following page, the HR78X is a tapered seat:

http://www.gsparkplug.com/shop/bosch-hr78x.html

Here's the original Bosch FR8KDC for comparison which is a gasket seal type:

http://www.gsparkplug.com/shop/bosch-fr8kdc.html

Also the one you quoted is a 7 heat range instead of 8 so slightly colder. Probably fine if you do mostly long trips but for my typically shorter slow speed trips it might suffer from carbon build up on the insulator like the FR7DC+ did.

I'm sure there is a version of the super fours in 8 heat range with gasket type seals though, I'll see if I can find the correct part number.
0 x
Simon

1997 Xantia S1 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive in Silex Grey
2011 Peugeot Ion Full Electric in Silver

1977 G Special 1129cc LHD
1978 CX 2400
1997 Xantia S1 2.0i Auto VSX
1998 Xantia S2 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive

User avatar
DHallworth
Donor 2016
Posts: 2089
Joined: 20 Nov 2005, 18:05
Location: Glasgow
My Cars:
x 19

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by DHallworth » 14 Sep 2014, 19:11

Timing belt kits are available from Euro Car Parts for £199 at the moment as they're on promotion:

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peuge ... f3a&000332

I paid £250 for the one I fitted to the Activa.

The tensioner was SKF as were the idler pulleys. It's SKF who make the genuine ones so it's all genuine kit that's in the box.

Time wise if it's the first V6 belt you've done then it might spread into a Sunday if you start on a Saturday. I've done 4 of them now and can quite easily get it done in an afternoon.

David.
0 x
'88 CX GTi Turbo 2 :-D
'91 XM V6 24v Manual
'98 Xantia Activa V6 :-D
'00 XM V6 Exclusive
'10 C5 3.0 HDi Exclusive
'10 407 Coupé 3.0 HDi

User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 38305
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
Location: North Bucks
My Cars: A red Xantia Activa, a pretty blue Pug 207, a Giant TCR Bike and a Giant TCR Pro Bike.
x 684

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 14 Sep 2014, 19:17

DHallworth wrote:Time wise if it's the first V6 belt you've done then it might spread into a Sunday if you start on a Saturday. I've done 4 of them now and can quite easily get it done in an afternoon.


That's good work David :-D Excellent going =D>

You must work a lot faster than me as I'd take a day at least and I've done enough of them... Perhaps I drink more tea during the job than you do :lol:

Although again I never rush jobs like that and really clean and shine things and do the odd 'value added' like taking the alternator off to clean it of spilt LHM as I go along and that takes up the time...
0 x
Jim

Please note I do not accept PMs...

User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 38305
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
Location: North Bucks
My Cars: A red Xantia Activa, a pretty blue Pug 207, a Giant TCR Bike and a Giant TCR Pro Bike.
x 684

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 14 Sep 2014, 19:25

Mandrake wrote:Thanks Jim, are you sure that's the right code though ? According to the following page, the HR78X is a tapered seat.


Got me thinking now Simon!

I must admit I took the ebay ad from ECP at face value really. They said they were right and I didn't really question it.

Colder is Ok for me as mine only does long trips normally.

My old ones were washered FR8KDC..

Is there a problem in using taper seal plugs in place of them? Got me a bit concerned now...
0 x
Jim

Please note I do not accept PMs...

Online
User avatar
xantia_v6
Forum Admin Team
Posts: 4405
Joined: 09 Nov 2005, 23:03
Location: Beaune, France
My Cars: -
1997 Citroen Xantia V6 (France)
1999 Citroen XM V6 ES9 (France)
2011 Peugeot 308 CC THP 155 (NZ)
1975 Jaguar XJ-S pre-HE (NZ)
x 109

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by xantia_v6 » 14 Sep 2014, 19:37

CitroJim wrote:
Is there a problem in using taper seal plugs in place of them? Got me a bit concerned now...


Yes. Taper seat pugs require a taper seat. They will seal OK in an aluminium head by deforming the shoulder of the hole, but they may not have enough contact area to cool themselves.

Better get some washer seal plugs...
0 x

User avatar
DHallworth
Donor 2016
Posts: 2089
Joined: 20 Nov 2005, 18:05
Location: Glasgow
My Cars:
x 19

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by DHallworth » 14 Sep 2014, 19:51

Jim,

If I see any leaks then it turns into an all weekend affair cleaning everything :lol:

Last one I did everything seemed dry on and I was only doing it on a car I was getting rid of so it got a quick belt thrown on it.

If I was doing the Activa or the XM I'd be taking everything off for a clean before refitting :lol:

David.
0 x
'88 CX GTi Turbo 2 :-D
'91 XM V6 24v Manual
'98 Xantia Activa V6 :-D
'00 XM V6 Exclusive
'10 C5 3.0 HDi Exclusive
'10 407 Coupé 3.0 HDi

User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 38305
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
Location: North Bucks
My Cars: A red Xantia Activa, a pretty blue Pug 207, a Giant TCR Bike and a Giant TCR Pro Bike.
x 684

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 14 Sep 2014, 19:53

Thanks Mike, will do!

Bit surprised that a big firm like ECP can advise the wrong plugs!

I'll not drive too sportingly until I've go the right ones in then...

Any advisories as to a recommend set? Simon?

That'll be the inlet manifold off again :twisted:
0 x
Jim

Please note I do not accept PMs...

User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 38305
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
Location: North Bucks
My Cars: A red Xantia Activa, a pretty blue Pug 207, a Giant TCR Bike and a Giant TCR Pro Bike.
x 684

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 14 Sep 2014, 19:55

DHallworth wrote:Jim,

If I see any leaks then it turns into an all weekend affair cleaning everything :lol:


That's exactly what happened with me this time. I really didn't realise how bad the pump leak was on mine... That put quite a lot of time onto the job.
0 x
Jim

Please note I do not accept PMs...

User avatar
PavlosV6
Posts: 41
Joined: 29 Oct 2011, 22:40
Location:
My Cars:

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by PavlosV6 » 14 Sep 2014, 22:09

CitroJim wrote:Thanks Mike, will do!


Any advisories as to a recommend set? Simon?

That'll be the inlet manifold off again :twisted:


Old V6 is doing very nicely on a set of NGK BKR6EZ.
0 x
Paul
'97 Xantia MK1 V6 Exclusive in Mauritius Blue - 205K - "Old V6" - A new life begins.....
'06 Picasso Exclusive 110 in Mediterranean Blue - 106K
'14 308cc 2.0HDi 163 Roland Garros in Pearlescent White - 7K

Hell Razor5543
NOT Alistair or Simon
Posts: 7156
Joined: 01 Apr 2012, 09:47
Location: Reading
My Cars: C5 Mk1 VTR estate, Icelandic Grey (I think she is called "Bluebird")
x 274

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by Hell Razor5543 » 14 Sep 2014, 22:17

superloopy wrote:
CitroJim wrote:
Mandrake wrote:Thanks Jim, are you sure that's the right code though ? According to the following page, the HR78X is a tapered seat.


Got me thinking now Simon!

I must admit I took the ebay ad from ECP at face value really. They said they were right and I didn't really question it.



ECP bites a forum members bum ... again 8-[


Apparently Asda are now selling car tyres. I decided to see what options they had, so I typed in Gracies' registration. Unfortunately their lookup system is wrong, as it said I should use 205/60/R15 tyres. Gracie is a 90HP HDi Xantia, and Citroen say she uses 185/65/R15 tyres. Ah well.
0 x
James
ex BX 1.9
ex Xantia 2.0HDi SX
ex Xantia 2.0HDi LX

C5 VTR HDi estate, 76518762
Out amongst the stars, looking for a world of my own!

Northern_Mike
x 48

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by Northern_Mike » 14 Sep 2014, 22:50

Those things are often wrong. It tells me the Berlingo should use 165/65/15.

It should be 185/65/15, though now it runs 195/65/15 on C5 rims. (Yes, I have told the insurance company)

Wrong for the C5 too....
0 x

User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 38305
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
Location: North Bucks
My Cars: A red Xantia Activa, a pretty blue Pug 207, a Giant TCR Bike and a Giant TCR Pro Bike.
x 684

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 15 Sep 2014, 08:33

Just ordered a set of Bosch FR8KDC :)

Car started instantly this morning and ran to work like a dream...
0 x
Jim

Please note I do not accept PMs...

User avatar
Mandrake
Posts: 7169
Joined: 10 Apr 2005, 17:23
Location: North Lanarkshire, UK
My Cars:
x 83

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by Mandrake » 15 Sep 2014, 09:35

CitroJim wrote:Just ordered a set of Bosch FR8KDC :)

Car started instantly this morning and ran to work like a dream...

You beat me to it but I was going to say Bosch FR8KDC is a safe conservative choice. :)

I'm no expert on spark plugs by any means, before the V6 I've not really paid any attention to the fine details of spark plug specs and didn't really understand heat range etc before that... I've only used three different kinds in the ES9J4 in old V6:

NGK BKR6EIX
Bosch FR7DC+
Bosch FR8KDC

The NGK were in the car when I got it. They were OK but did have minor problems with fouling from short trips, but because I don't know how long they were in there its hard to judge how good they are as they could have been very old. They were only single electrode types.

I replaced them with the FR7DC+ which were bought from GSF as the recommended type for that engine. (And the only ones they had in stock at the time) They were awful and in less than 1000 miles fouled severely to the point where the insulator tips were carbon coated and causing a misfire due to the spark tracking across the insulator. When I checked the fine print on GSF it said "suitable for LPG"... :roll: (LPG burns hotter and works best with a slightly colder plug than petrol) They were also single electrode types.

I then replaced them with the FR8KDC (bought from mister auto I think) and had no further problems with them at all - they were pulled out twice for inspection in the remainder of the time I had the car and the insulators and electrodes looked absolutely clean and perfect.

I'll very likely go for the FR8KDC when I do the plugs on the new V6 - although I'm going to pull out one of the front plugs to see what kind are in there now before I make my final decision. I'm tempted by the Bosch four electrode types, but obviously the correct heat range and seal type! (Also resistor type and correct reach)

Putting single electrode plugs in a waste spark system like this seems like false economy to me - as it's sparking twice as often as it needs to, electrode erosion is twice as rapid as well. The dual electrode plugs (all other things being equal) basically double the life time of the plug at least in terms of electrode erosion, thus bring the waste spark system back to "normal" spark plug life times. A single electrode plug in this application is only going to see half the expected lifetime...
0 x
Simon

1997 Xantia S1 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive in Silex Grey
2011 Peugeot Ion Full Electric in Silver

1977 G Special 1129cc LHD
1978 CX 2400
1997 Xantia S1 2.0i Auto VSX
1998 Xantia S2 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive

User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 38305
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
Location: North Bucks
My Cars: A red Xantia Activa, a pretty blue Pug 207, a Giant TCR Bike and a Giant TCR Pro Bike.
x 684

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 15 Sep 2014, 10:24

Thanks Simon :-D They were what came out of the engine and as they'd done well over 30,000 miles of good service I am happy to use them again.

Just wish I'd not taken ECP at their word and I also just wish I didn't have to change them again so soon :twisted:

Anyone want a set of 6 barely used HR78X? :lol:
0 x
Jim

Please note I do not accept PMs...

User avatar
Mandrake
Posts: 7169
Joined: 10 Apr 2005, 17:23
Location: North Lanarkshire, UK
My Cars:
x 83

Re: Citrojim's Xantia, C1 and XM Tales

Post by Mandrake » 15 Sep 2014, 10:39

If their search option recommended those spark plugs to you on the basis of your registration plate or engine type, can you not get a refund based on "not fit for purpose" or "mis-sold" ? :?
0 x
Simon

1997 Xantia S1 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive in Silex Grey
2011 Peugeot Ion Full Electric in Silver

1977 G Special 1129cc LHD
1978 CX 2400
1997 Xantia S1 2.0i Auto VSX
1998 Xantia S2 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot] and 0 guests