Citrojim's Skoda, Saxo, 207 and Bike Tales

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 23 Nov 2013, 05:44

Thanks Lexi. That's exactly the route I looked to go with gas whilst at the NEC. Hobbygas seem to offer a good solution to the problem. Better than disposables..

I was looking at some welders there and it's very likely I'll go for one quite soon. Buy one from Telford Welding Supplies and they invite you to their works for a training session...

It'll have to wait a bit as I've just forked out nearly two grand on car insurance for me and the girls :twisted:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by citronut » 23 Nov 2013, 10:10

CitroJim wrote:
I was looking at some welders there and it's very likely I'll go for one quite soon. Buy one from Telford Welding Supplies and they invite you to their works for a training session...

It'll have to wait a bit as I've just forked out nearly two grand on car insurance for me and the girls :twisted:


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you mean the welder isnt at the top of your Crimbo wish list #-o :roll: :o :-D :wink: ,

after all you do for your girlies thats the least they could do in return 8-) :wink:
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Post by addo » 23 Nov 2013, 10:27

Why not an oxy set? More versatile.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by lexi » 23 Nov 2013, 12:55

I can't agree with oxy set Addo. Apart from it being rather a hot process, crawling under cars is where Mig is best. Having Acetylene here in housing estates is a big
risk. I got rid of mine. In any garage fire they will clear the whole street, if there is any acetylene in there. My mate has Mot station , 5 ramps and 5 mechanics. Even he has given up on Acetylene as the insurance was astronomical with him being within 500 yards of a block of flats and a train station. He has oxy/propane now and it is not great.
I miss my smoke spanner :cry:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 24 Nov 2013, 06:19

I have a baby mapp gas/oxy set and that's an excellent tool Lexi and absolutely indispensable for both traditional hot spanner work and brazing.

They say oxy is not the best for thin modern body panel steel anyway and MIG is the recommended way to weld them. That is made clear in the pukka Citroen body repair manuals.

Malcolm, a good MIG is in fact going to be my Christmas present to myself. The girls are buying me tools of a different sort - ones for the kitchen :-D
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by citronut » 24 Nov 2013, 10:33

i borrowed a MAP gas torch to braze a section into a hydraulic pipe on a DS 21 Pallas, otherwise it was going to be and engine and box out job
( according to Darin at Citroen Classics ) to fit a replacement pipe block which has 6 4.5mm pipe factory fitted to it,

MAP gas succeeded, after dismantling the complete suspension unit, drive shaft, and wheel hub, to gain access :yikes: :yikes:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by Northern_Mike » 24 Nov 2013, 11:01

I have seen the pictures. It's put me off D ownership for life.

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Post by addo » 24 Nov 2013, 12:23

I've done MAPP brazing under a Dee too (BVH Safari, no less). The secret (IMO) is paste flux and 5% silver, instead of liquid flux and low silver rod.
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Post by CitroJim » 24 Nov 2013, 18:01

addo wrote:The secret (IMO) is paste flux and 5% silver, instead of liquid flux and low silver rod.


In addition to a good fit and clinical cleanliness...

Northern_Mike wrote:I have seen the pictures. It's put me off D ownership for life.


Why?
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Post by Northern_Mike » 24 Nov 2013, 23:01

CitroJim wrote:
Northern_Mike wrote:I have seen the pictures. It's put me off D ownership for life.


Why?


I'd like a car I could use every day, I don't think a D would stand up to that really, not without a lot of care and attention. It'd drive me potty. Some of that pipework I saw on the pictures, and the unions looks very, very hard work. Not the work of a couple of hours on a Sunday morning.

I'm not a huge fan of the D as should be well known, I'd much rather have a CX or BX. I'd love to have a go in a well sorted D, if only as a passenger. If money truly were no object, I'd have one in my large garage in my dream house, but otherwise, no.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 25 Nov 2013, 05:43

That makes good sense Mike... Same really applies to an XM in my opinion...
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Post by citronut » 25 Nov 2013, 14:29

Northern_Mike wrote:
CitroJim wrote:
Northern_Mike wrote:I have seen the pictures. It's put me off D ownership for life.


Why?


I'd like a car I could use every day, I don't think a D would stand up to that really, not without a lot of care and attention. It'd drive me potty. Some of that pipework I saw on the pictures, and the unions looks very, very hard work. Not the work of a couple of hours on a Sunday morning.

I'm not a huge fan of the D as should be well known, I'd much rather have a CX or BX. I'd love to have a go in a well sorted D, if only as a passenger. If money truly were no object, I'd have one in my large garage in my dream house, but otherwise, no.


but at least all the front to rear pipes run/lay just beneath the door step/sill ledge, and have the easiest access of all the hydraulic citroens
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1986 MK1 BX 1.9na D Auto(in Mothman Andy's stable )
layed up roppy 1.9TD XANT estate, now gone to meet her maker
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 08 Dec 2013, 18:00

Not much has been happening recently on the car front. Been busy at work. health is remaining good but it took a bit of a dive last week with a dose of man-flu. First lot for three years and I see it as a very positive step that my immune system is getting back to some sort of normality...

Team WFA are now the proud owners of a 2.5 XM Estate. Chris, his dog and I went on a Top Gearesque road trip in my XM to Worcester on Wednesday to collect it. We found it looking very forlorn in a garage compound amongst some scrappers sunk to its belly and all misted up.

Faults, inter-alia, included a stuck-on parking brake, a non-openable tailgate, smoky engine and rock-hard suspension. So hard in fact that Chris remarked that a war must have taken place on Wednesday with extensive bombing of the A422. He deduced this fact on the basis that the road was full of craters :lol:

Chris reported it went OK but it pulled a bit to the left. No surprise really when you consider the right front tyre is a 65 profile and the left is a 60 profile :shock:

The parking brake problem was a broken release cable. Chris solved that with a pair of mole-grips. That's temporary until we can do a proper job..

Today we had a chance to have a good look at the car and to do some urgent work on it. Cosmetically it's a bit scruffy in places but it's as solid as a rock underneath and straight. The engine purrs and the smoking habit seems to have been fixed by reattaching a vacuum pipe to the EGR valve...

All the important bits seem good.

The suspension turned out to have nil movement. A bit of work revealed all three rear spheres were ruptured and the two front corners were likewise. All duff ones were replaced and the suspension was then lovely and soft.

A look at the Hydractive ECU showed that the bodgers had been at work and the electrovalve supply wires had been neatly snipped and wired to a switched live supply; the effect of this 'mod' was to hold the car in permanent soft mode. Here is the evidence m'lud...

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We drove it briefly with the bodge in place and it confirmed that it makes the car awful. Far too soft and wollowy in the corners. It makes it roll like a barge all at sea.

A bit of work with a soldering iron and a couple of diodes saw the bodge corrected and after clearing the faults we once again had a working Hydractive system and decent ride and handling...

The tailgate problem was a duff central locking motor holding it closed. The tailgate was opened from within by removing the latch...

The 2.5 is very impressive to drive. It goes very well indeed and is a torque monster. Very impressed...

A good buy for the silly money paid for it... A bit more work and it'll be excellent :-D
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by Hell Razor5543 » 08 Dec 2013, 18:12

I hate 'specialists' who make such a bodge of things they ruin an otherwise lovely car. These people should be named and shamed.

However, Team WFA are to be congratulated on rescuing a forlorn XM from death. Well done, all.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by bxzx16v » 08 Dec 2013, 19:44

It sounds like there's potential Jim, I look forward to more updates and pics.

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