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Post by xantia_v6 » 27 Jun 2009, 21:31

Jim, What fuel were you using to get that economy? I suppose I generally drive faster than you have reported, but have not acheived that impressive number.

I am glad you are enjoying the V6, it should last you a long time. I still enjoy mine (the Mk1). It is even better now I have replaced the Bitron sensor and the A/C has gone from 50% reliable to 100%.

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Post by CitroJim » 27 Jun 2009, 21:42

Just running on standard BP unleaded Mike, not even the Ultimate stuff...

That mileage was achieved on fast A roads and a few slower A roads.

I do admit I was not pushing it very hard as I'm still letting everything gently bed in before really enjoying it!

Pleased the aircon is good on yours now, that's my next job as mine works but it's a bit rumbly. We could have done with it today as well!

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Post by Sid_the_Squid » 27 Jun 2009, 22:34

36MPG :shock: That is indeed impressive mpg, the best I've managed so far is 27mpg, mind you that is urban commuting mileage, never done any motorways yet. I still there theres a small air leak somewhere in the intake on mine though, just a hunch.

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Post by Toby_HDi » 28 Jun 2009, 00:42

It's amazing what a smooth and gentle right foot can achieve. :lol:

On the way back from Redditch from picking up my 3.0 Omega I returned 39mpg 8), this in a car that is heavier than the V6 Xantia (something around 1700kg I believe)

Motorways and Main A roads the whole way with the cruise set at 70mph (had someone following me)

Glad the V6 is up, running and legal Jim. Hope your enjoying it immensely :D

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Post by CitroJim » 05 Jul 2009, 23:08

Toby_HDi wrote:Hope your enjoying it immensely :D


I am Toby, immensely :D It's been in daily use now for two weeks and so far, faultless. I did have a slightly worrying moment when I spotted a slight patch of dampness near the LH deive shaft oil seal but after wiping it, there has been no further reoccurrance. In fact the whole power unit is totally devoid of any leaks touch-wood.

I treated her to a new battery on Saturday as the old battery was a bit on the small side and not good for holding a full charge over an extended period. I got a good deal on the battery from the local factors. Interestingly, none of their parts catalogues list the V6, either for batteries or auxillary belts. I ended up with a diesel battery in the end.

The poor old 2.1TD and Activa have been standing idle all this time but on Saturday morning the 2.1TD was called in to be a worhorse to take a heavy burden of ruubbish to the tip. Despite two weeks of rest, he burst into life at the first turn of the key and ran very sweetly :lol:

The Activa also saw some action on Saturday. Sid the Squid came to visit and during talk he spoke of never having experienced an Activa. he has now :wink: I then drove us off to our local factors in it to pick up my battery and a new Auxillary belt for Sid's Green Goblin in an attempt to receify a squeak. I'll say no more on that as I'm sure you will Sid!

I will say my Activa is a brilliant drive but so different to the V6. I'm rather pleased I can flit between a manual and automatic without any worries and in truth, it was good to be in full control of the gears and clutch again!

Sid changed the gearbox oil in the Green Goblin and we performed another gearbox ECU initialisation just before Sid's departure. Again a very pleasant Saturday spent.

Whilst Sid did the oil change, I looked for why I could not hear the charcoal canister purge valve working on my V6 during an actuator test. I spent some time on that only to find the reason is the valve is hidden under the front wing mudshield and wrapped in a big rubber boot. In the event it is fine.

Xac's Activa has been keeping both of us busy this past week and this afternoon I joined Xac to help him adjust his roll corrector mechanism as despite all his work, she was still listing badly to port and not playing at all properly.

We found the cause of Xac's roll corrector woes and at one point, Xac was finally able to witness roll correction in action albeit with me lying under the car on ramps and wiggling the roll corrector with a screwdriver :roll:

At one point in proceedings, the car dropped rather suddenly at the front and I made a very hasty exit from under it :lol: It was all OK though as she was firmly up on ramps but you just cannot be too careful.

I'll not say anything further on Xac's Activa as I'm sure he will but suffice to say, it's been a good fun week on the Xantia front with plenty of interest and enjoyment :D

This week I finally hope to get to the root of my Activa cabin water leak and to look at the V6 cruise control problem.

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Post by Xaccers » 05 Jul 2009, 23:19

Thanks for your help Jim, I'll give a full update tomorrow.
So you're ok with lying on a skateboard under the car with a screwdriver controlling the roll corrector as I drive round MK then? :D

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Post by Sid_the_Squid » 06 Jul 2009, 10:09

Sid the Squid came to visit and during talk he spoke of never having experienced an Activa. he has now

I have indeed, the closest thing to an Activa I have ever driven in the past is a mk3 prelude with 4WS, but even that pales in comparison to the Activa experience. At first its actually quite unnerving having no body roll, felt like I was not actually driving but instead playing ‘Gran turismo’.
The V6 exclusive and the Activa could not differ more, are you sure their both Xantias, and the Activa is not some Lotus in disguise? ;)
Despite the class A handling, the Activa is not for me, the suspension is just to hard, I just love the hydractive soft mode too much to ever give it up.

As for my squeak, I assumed it was the aux belt being covered in LHM from the recent HP pump leak, after Jim kindly changed the aux belt on Sat, it turned out that actually it was the ‘crank pulley’, which has, or rather had a bonded rubber section in the middle, which wasn’t so bonded any more. Doh!
So I’m off to Citroen Hatfield today to order the ‘crank pulley’, I can’t understand why they would have switched from using a solid pulley (mk1) to a semi rubber one which will ultimately break?
As a side note its interesting how the Citroen service site only lists 1 possible item, but Jim’s parts cd listed two.

So be warned V6 mk2 owners, if you get a squeak, especially with the AC on it could be the crank pulley which drives the aux belt.

Thanks for your help Jim, sorry for the blog hijack :)

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Post by KP » 06 Jul 2009, 11:47

They will have moved to it for the same reason as Dual Mass Flywheels, They damp the engine a little so a little less vibration inside the cabin is felt and on a V6 im sure it will help with the forces the engine itself as a Vee'er creates....

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Post by CitroJim » 15 Jul 2009, 14:21

It seems to have been a long time again between blog updates. The main reason is that I'm not well at the moment. I fell sick on Thursday and am only now beginning to come out of it, hence my relative absence from the forum.

Despite not being well, I did perk up for a visit from Sid the Squid on Saturday to replace his delaminating crank pulley. He is now squeak-free and we were both shocked at how the two halves of the pulley could be rotated freely with just finger pressure :twisted: It could have let go at any time... I had a drive of Sid's Green Goblin which heighted suspicions that all is not well with my V6 :( but more on that later...

Despite not being able to wake up on Sunday morning, I did get enough enthusiasm raised to go to the tranquil depths of Hertfordshire to visit Lawrence1973 and do a bit of electrical wiring on his 406. He is currently transplanting a low mileage Xantia engine into it following the destruction of his old engine by a stray piece of metal from a badly executed pump dearmouring job getting into the inlet tract. It was interesting to see the carnage that resulted. Here's a couple of shots:

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Nasty! We suspect the air ducting was removed for the dearmouring that resulted in a lump of armour leaping straight into the inlet manifold.

My V6 has been in constant use and sadly, a few faults have made an appearance which means it'll be off the road for a bit and even worse, the engine will have to be lifted again :twisted:

The more minor faults are a leaky LHM pump from one of the piston covers and a very leaky pressure regulator; leaking from the end where the flat bracket bolts on. Both jobs I shall have a word with Pleiades about. The major issue is that both the pump and pressure regulator are not easy to remove but as the engine has to come out anyway...

The other problem is the rear trailing arm bearings have had it. I can see a bit of negative camber on the rear wheels and there are a lot of clonks and groans emanating from the rear over bumps. I've never done this job on a Xantia but I soon will be!

I'm wondering if the car was out of use for a long period and the rear bearings suffered? I had to replace the rear hydractive block to cure a leaky electrovalve that had failed due to corrosion. Yesterday, being bored and needing a bit of stimulation, I looked closely at the old block and electrovalve. The corrosion on the alloy of the electrovalve is very plain to see; so bad that you can just see the green of the O ring poking through the corroded alloy...

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I'm not even sure the new electrovalve is good as I have a rather high tick rate in soft mode (10-15S) but an almost infinite one in hard mode :twisted: This car really is keeping me busy :roll:

So why has the engine to come out again? Well, firstly it'll make access to the HP pump and PR easier but yesterday I realised I made a fundamental error in rebuilding the gearbox :twisted: I did a mix and match of good bits from the two gearboxes and it was only today in reassembling the remains of both into one gearbox that I realise I did not take sufficient care in checking or setting the input shaft end-float. It should only be 0.02mm +/- 0.01mm and in reassembling the bits, that one has a negative float of about 2mm so goodness knows what the other 'box has :roll:

In driving Sid's Green Goblin, I know mine is not as smooth on gearchanges as it should be and I reckon the 'box has excessive end-float. Only one thing to do.... Luckily the end cover only has to come off and the whole 'box will not need stripping.

I've had to make up a special tool to measure end-float accurately rather than guessing it as I did previously :oops: I needed something to clamp on the end of the input shaft that would allow the shaft to be pushed and pulled. I hit on the idea of using a die-stock with a specially made insert inside it that worked like a die. Screwing up the screws compresses the insert and makes it grip the shaft. I made the insert from hard nylon on my lathe..

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This is the tool in use on the spare gearbox:

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I've also looked at the aircon water leak on the Activa and found the drain spout was indeed broken as Richard suspected. This spout being broken will allow all aircon condensate straight into the pasenger footwell.

Following Richard's advice, I sleeved the spout with some very close-fitting plastic tube and popped the spot black in place with a liberal dose of silicone RTV all over the new sleeve and left it to set before replacing the drain pipe.

Here's a shot of the broken spout, the repair sleeve and the drain pipe proper:

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And here is a picture of the spout in place before fitting the drain pipe. Access is not that good :lol:

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I just need some nice hot weather now to test the quality of this job!!!

That's it for now. That represents light duties by my standards. I'll have to be fully recovered before the engine out job is attempted on the V6 though :wink:

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Post by xantia_v6 » 15 Jul 2009, 19:29

Gosh... sorry to hear about the transmission SNAFU. I suppose that might explain the clunks we heard on the 1-2 shifts. It might also explain why you reported the emergency mode engagements being rougher than I remembered them.

Put me in the queue to help when you have the energy to tackle the rematch.

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Post by CitroJim » 15 Jul 2009, 19:36

xantia_v6 wrote: I suppose that might explain the clunks we heard on the 1-2 shifts.


Yes, after driving Sid's I realised it was not quite right and dug in for the reason. Still there'll hopefully be no damage as a result. Still, it was inevitable as a first attempt that something would be a bit iffy.

Thing is, I want the car to be right. It's such a lovely car that it really deserves the extra mile of work to properly resolve the remaining issues.

Ahh well, these things you learn and all I know is the engine/transmission will be a lot sweeter and easier to remove this time! It's still very fresh in the memory of how to do it and this time I'll not strip down all the unnecessary bits :roll:

Help will be very much appreciated and I'll announce when big lift No.2 is happening.

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Post by Sid_the_Squid » 16 Jul 2009, 09:35

I'll also gladly give you a hand Jim, just let me know when.

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Post by CitroJim » 16 Jul 2009, 11:16

Thanks Sid :D That's brilliant 8)

I'm hoping, health and other commitments allowing, that I'll be able to start next weekend. If we could say, get the engine/transmission out next weekend, in the week I can sort the gearbox whilst the unhappy hydraulic items are away receiving TLC from Mr. Pleiades and then the following weekend, reinstall...

That's the plan provisionally...

I'll have to clean my alternator again :twisted:

I've been thinking why the hydraulics seem to leak more on a V6 and I reckon it's all down to the intense underbonnet heat hardening the various O rings. Certainly both the pump and pressure regulator are in hot places and they do get very hot in service.

I'm so taken with the car I don't want it off the road for too long.

I've been using my Activa a bit and it's really lovely.; if only it had a bit more power :lol: :lol:

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Post by XantiaMan » 16 Jul 2009, 11:40

CitroJim wrote:
I've been using my Activa a bit and it's really lovely.; if only it had a bit more power :lol: :lol:


I could sort that for you :wink:

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Post by CitroJim » 16 Jul 2009, 11:54

XantiaMan583 wrote:I could sort that for you :wink:


Can you drop a V6 into it then Gareth? :lol: