Citrojim's Skoda, Saxo, 207 and Bike Tales

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Post by addo » 25 May 2013, 10:59

Saint Jim wrote:...I don't smoke, I don't drink, I eat a very healthy diet, I exercise as far as I can, I don't chase loose women and yet I get tired just listening to what some of my friends have been up to recently :twisted: ...
You need to break out more. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: You'll still be at least as tired, but the stories will be juicier.
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Saint Jim wrote:...I don't smoke, I don't drink, I eat a very healthy diet, I exercise as far as I can, I don't chase loose women and yet I get tired just listening to what some of my friends have been up to recently :twisted: ...
You need to break out more. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: You'll still be at least as tired, but the stories will be juicier.


:lol: :lol: :lol: I only have my dreams left nowadays Adam!

Got a bit done on the XM today... I'd well and truly zapped the gearbox ECU. Even a re-initialise wouldn’t revive it. It works absolutely fine and can be initialised but the fault memory is kippered. Any attempt to access it causes the ECU to shut down!

That'll teach me to try to read faults with the engine running and leads draped all over the engine :twisted:

I swapped it experimentally for a 406 V6 ECU I had knocking around that came with a gearbox I bought a few years back. It works a treat :-D No faults. The old one was a Xantia one as confirmed by the part number. The 406 one I had is useless for the Xantia as it doesn't implement the shift-lock function (locks the lever in P until you apply the brake) but this is not needed in the XM... So that's an otherwise surplus ECU made good use of.

So pleased was I that I set about replacing the blown bulb behind the gear indicator... It all seemed to be a nice easy job at first. The BoL is wrong in that you don't need to remove the steering wheel and cowls and the front of the dash comes off easily enough.. Then the instrument pod...

What fur-lined, ocean-going knob-jockey designed that :twisted: :twisted: :roll: Poppers on the bottom and two almost inaccessible nuts holding the top of the pod. Pure bizarre madness :twisted: madness that befits an XM perfectly :twisted:

Still, bulb is replaced, the indicator lights up and no longer flashes.. Result :-D
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Post by RichardW » 25 May 2013, 22:40

CitroJim wrote:What fur-lined, ocean-going knob-jockey designed that :twisted: :twisted: :roll: Poppers on the bottom and two almost inaccessible nuts holding the top of the pod. Pure bizarre madness :twisted: madness that befits an XM perfectly :twisted:


Sounds like the same guy that was on the inst pod design on the early Mk2 BXs - two plastic pins through the dash, with self threading nuts, one of which is (just) accessible through the oddments tray on the dash top, and the other (just) accessible through the panel on the right of the wheel. And then, you have to disconnect the speedo cable which needs to be squeezed hard, but is almost inaccessible over the back of the pod. The later ones had wing nuts which were marginally easier....
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Post by Hell Razor5543 » 25 May 2013, 22:52

I must have had a later BX, as she had the wing nuts. I had a couple of problems that needed the dash out; a couple of blown bulbs and a stuttering speedo. Replacing all of the bulbs and a drop of 3 in 1 oil down the speedo cable sorted them out.

Getting that dash out was a massive PITA, so I was so glad I only had to do it once!
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Post by CitroJim » 26 May 2013, 06:46

Gosh :o The BX sounds even worse than the XM in that respect :roll:

Daft thing as that the S1 XM had a very easily removable pod and even the speedo cable was not a huge problem in that respect. It was in others but I digress. the XM S2 design was a backward step and many will say the S2 XM was a backward step in may, many ways but that's for a separate discussion...
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Post by Northern_Mike » 26 May 2013, 07:47

CitroJim wrote:Gosh :o The BX sounds even worse than the XM in that respect :roll:

Daft thing as that the S1 XM had a very easily removable pod and even the speedo cable was not a huge problem in that respect. It was in others but I digress. the XM S2 design was a backward step and many will say the S2 XM was a backward step in may, many ways but that's for a separate discussion...


Apart from the odd design of not being able to see any of the buttons beneath the steering wheel on my 2.1SD S1 XM, I preferred it to the S2 2.1 that I had. The S2 never broke down though.
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Post by CitroJim » 26 May 2013, 09:02

Northern_Mike wrote:Apart from the odd design of not being able to see any of the buttons beneath the steering wheel on my 2.1SD S1 XM, I preferred it to the S2 2.1 that I had.


The preference generally is for the S1 dash Mike... Have a look at Club-XM...

The obscured buttons problem is easily fixed by the fitment of a single-spoke steering wheel. Then the only buttons obscured are those obscured by the cruise stalk..

The S2 nicely obscures it's tailgate wash/wipe buttons so the design errors continue :evil:

I'd still like an S1 ES9 V6 personally as I'm no real fan of the S2 dash I must admit... Shame as the rest of the S2 is absolutely fine.
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Post by Northern_Mike » 26 May 2013, 09:34

CitroJim wrote:
Northern_Mike wrote:Apart from the odd design of not being able to see any of the buttons beneath the steering wheel on my 2.1SD S1 XM, I preferred it to the S2 2.1 that I had.


The preference generally is for the S1 dash Mike... Have a look at Club-XM...

The obscured buttons problem is easily fixed by the fitment of a single-spoke steering wheel. Then the only buttons obscured are those obscured by the cruise stalk..

The S2 nicely obscures it's tailgate wash/wipe buttons so the design errors continue :evil:

I'd still like an S1 ES9 V6 personally as I'm no real fan of the S2 dash I must admit... Shame as the rest of the S2 is absolutely fine.


I knew little about the XM when I had my first, or I would perhaps have fitted a new wheel, because yes, I did like the S1 dash. Mine was a 2.1 manual on a K plate, lovely car. I'd still have it if it hadn't blown the head gasket. I enjoyed that car a lot. Sadly there aren't any around in my budget now.. (looks like Mazda is going today - issues with dad's health etc means it must go, I need something bigger and economical again) so I shall probably be looking for a C5 or 406 HDI in the very, very near future..
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Post by CitroJim » 26 May 2013, 10:00

Sorry to hear the Mazda is having to go Mike :(

I had the same a few years back when my 205 GTi had to go to make way for a Xantia estate...
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Post by CitroJim » 29 May 2013, 11:07

Well, I must retract my words about the designer of the S2 XM dash being a bit of a plonker. He was actually a brilliant genius and so brilliant he even kept his brilliance from the team who wrote the BoL...

Thanks to advice from our very own Robert Smart it turns out the two studs that hold the top of the instrument pod actually terminate in balls and a hearty tug will release them from their ballcups and thus no need to fight two small and inaccessible nuts...

I had the opportunity a couple of days later to test that on another XM with a dead gear indicator bulb. Being someone else’s car I tried a gentle tug on the top of the pod but it wouldn't move easily so I removed the two nuts.

I could then see the studs were ball-ended and sat in clips. I replaced the nuts and tugged the studs with a pair of pliers and out they came and because the back of my hand was so near the top of the dash cutout I also lost a load of skin too :twisted:

Putting the pod back in was a breeze. Replace the studs and nuts before refitting and click and it's done :)

The owner of the XM is 50p richer now. 50p and a big needle he uses to adjust washer jets was retrieved from behind his instruments.

I'd wondered what I could hear sliding around my dash for some time and when I did my bulb I found a coin there too but not so valuable as that. It was an European 10 cent coin.

I also advised how to do the starter relay mod on another V6 XM today, the one belonging to Chris570. His was getting harder and harder to start and sometimes could take up to 20 turns of the key before the starter motor would play... He stood this for months. How I don't know, mine only did it occasionally but even then it bugged me to the point I just had to do the mod.

A V6 Xantia also visited with an intermittent starting problem but that was found to be caused by the gear position switch on the gearbox that permits the starter to operate in P and N only. They do fail occasionally.

Before fitting a spare I had a go at fixing the old one. they're riveted together and easy to disassemble but that's as far as it goes. Inside they have a set of naked microswitches and the innards are made of cheese; any attempt to try to disassemble further for contact cleaning breaks a bit of critical cheese off and ruins the switch. So, if they fail then replacement is needed. Only problem is they cost getting on for £110 :shock:
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Post by CitroJim » 29 May 2013, 12:24

superloopy wrote: My V6 refuses to start most times, in fact i often switch to the TD midstream rather than face the embarassment of a clunking starter solenoid. Got to get rid soon ...


Mike, it's not a difficult mod at all.. Mandrake has done it and he's closer to you I guess...

However, here's the diagram showing the fitting of the helper relay...

That's for the S1. the S2 is very similar...

EDIT: And the original circuit before modification...
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Post by Chris570 » 29 May 2013, 17:05

i'll second that, I wish I'd done mine sooner, it seriously only took about 10 minutes and that involves larking about as well.

It starts on the button now, everytime. In a way it's sad because that used to be my XM's favourite game, wait until I fill it up and then when I go to start it.... *clunk*. Usually with a healthy queue behind me as well!
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Post by CitroJim » 30 May 2013, 11:51

superloopy wrote: Is it worth swapping the starter motor?


No it's not Mike as that is unlikely to resolve the problem. best to do the modification as it works in just about every instance...

Seems a shame you cannot use and enjoy the car because of this. Can't you find anyone nearby to help with the electrical aspects of this?

Just recovered from an evening of karting at Daytona Milton Keynes. It was laid on as a corporate team-building exercise. Absolutely massive fun and we enjoyed four races - three heats and a Grand Prix final...

The track was soaking wet and the karts wore slicks - cue lots of spins and epic slides!

It just about did for me. I could barely get out of the kart and walk at the end of it and got home to find a blocked drain :twisted: I had to rod it there and then.

I've only just about regained consciousness...
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Post by CitroJim » 31 May 2013, 16:12

Lovely day here today so I finally got round to replacing the half good ABS sensor on the Xantia V6 with one that should be fully good...

There's a couple of jobs I need to do on the Xantia at some time, new flexi hoses and I note the hydraulic pump has a bit of a weep. So has the one in the XM so there's two pumps that need to come out and be re-sealed. No rush for either as they're not massive and not yet dripping.

Then I put the V6 away and brought the Activa back out of storage. Hopefully summer is now here for the duration and I'll be able to enjoy the Activa...

I do love driving her...

Next major job I plan is a new cambelt on the XM.
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Post by CitroJim » 01 Jun 2013, 16:13

So much for no rush on stopping the weep on the hydraulic pump on the XM. I got to it and did it this afternoon. It only needed the O ring replacing on the delivery port. It's easy in the XM as there's a convenient cut-out in the slam panel that allows a 19mm socket on a long extension to get down there to undo the port.

I also had an attack at mission impossible today - the replacement of the duff oxygen sensor.

It's not absolutely impossible. It's not easy but not as bad as it first looks. You can't see the sensor from underneath but you can feel it - just. However, if you remove the Hydractive centre sphere that gives both some access to it and fair visibility of it. Then with a long 22mm spanner you can just about undo it.

Mine was tight and I really gave the spanner a big tug to free it and crushed my thumb between spanner and subframe :evil: and ouch!

It bit me but I don't mind as I can now see the new sensor giving the right signals on the ELIT.

I have to say both jobs I've done in the past on a Xantia V6 and in both cases they were actually easier on the XM - now there's something to be amazed about :lol:

I am happy. The list of jobs on my XM is slowly going down :)
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