Citrojim's Skoda, Saxo, 207 and Bike Tales

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by KP » 26 Oct 2012, 12:38

Hows the exterior of the XM holding up Jim??
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 26 Oct 2012, 16:19

KP wrote:Hows the exterior of the XM holding up Jim??


She's pretty good Will. Chris did a spot of machine polishing on it and now the only slight detractions are a couple of small dents which need sorting... Apart from that she's as solid as a rock :-D

The MOT testers must have liked my XM so much I reckon they took it for a spin. It was a wet old day here and two of the rubber mats were covered in mud :twisted:

I noticed a tiny coolant leak from one of the tee-pieces where one of the LPG vapouriser heater pipes tees off. A little tighten of the offending Jubilee clip seems to have stopped it.

I also looked at the vapour-phase filter between the vapouriser and the LPG injector rail. It looks like a mini air filter and I was staggered at how mucky it was. I've given it a blast on the air-line whilst I await a replacement. They cost around about £6 and are available on ebay...

The engine is definitely running a lot happier on both gas and petrol now it has the benefit of an oxygen sensor :D
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by Citroenmad » 26 Oct 2012, 20:27

How did you sort out the rough running on LPG after the sensor refit Jim? Have I missed that bit? :lol:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 26 Oct 2012, 21:17

It's only just a tad rough on idle Chris, everywhere else it's as sweet as a nut on gas. In fact now when under reasonable way you can't tell when it switches from petrol to gas :-D The roughness is most notable when coming to a standstill in D and say, waiting at a junction for a few moments. Under cruise conditions everything is really perfect.

I had a plug out this afternoon and the colour of it was perfect. The mixture looks spot-on.

Idle on petrol is the best idle I've ever known on a TCT. In fact it is a very sweet engine indeed.

I've been researching hard and learned a lot about LPG systems in general and the Tartarini SGI as fitted in particular, hence the vapour-phase filter. Cleaning it has helped a little and my next line of investigation is the plugs.

LPG needs a bloody good spark to fire it as LPG is cold and tends to like to try to blow the spark out. Currently it has NGK BKR5EK plugs which are twin electrode affairs and according to the forums they are not the best for firing small LPG charges at idle and the preference is for the needle-pointed plutonium tipped variety.

I'll be getting a new filter and seeking recommendations about the best plugs. I'm wondering to if there's a reason for having slightly hotter '5' plugs fitted rather than the recommended '6' plugs.

The gas ECU is, I understand, more or less auto-adaptive and it does seem to be learning now it can see an oxygen sensor. I'm debating whether or not to shell out the £40 or so on the diagnostic software for it and gently try tweaking it.

I'd still love to know why it was de-catted and de-sensored...

I know one thing, I'm really enjoying getting to grips with LPG systems. I am, as they say, a fan of them :-D
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by myglaren » 27 Oct 2012, 08:59

Plutonium spark plugs Jim?
Does your XM glow in the dark :twisted:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 27 Oct 2012, 09:11

myglaren wrote:Does your XM glow in the dark :twisted:


Only with the lights on Steve :lol:

I got the wrong element. I meant iridium :roll:

Just ordered a set, along with an LPG filter so it'll be interesting to see if they make a difference...
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Post by addo » 27 Oct 2012, 09:47

CitroJim wrote:I'd still love to know why it was de-catted and de-sensored...
I'd say part of that global phenomenon we know here as f***nuckles. No shortage of these special people plying their trade as mechanics.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 27 Oct 2012, 12:09

No, I'd say there was perhaps a world surplus of those Adam, with the UK as a prime producer :twisted:

And I suppose de-cat pipes are cheaper than new cats... Especially the one fitted. It was not a good example...
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by andmcit » 27 Oct 2012, 12:24

Plutonium? :mrgreen:

Is that to power the 1.21 Gigawatts of electricity needed to make time travel possible?
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 27 Oct 2012, 12:26

andmcit wrote:Plutonium? :mrgreen:

Is that to power the 1.21 Gigawatts of electricity needed to make time travel possible?


Ahh, my plan is rumbled :roll: I wanted to go back to 1994 and be able to buy my XM brand new :wink:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by andmcit » 27 Oct 2012, 12:32

There's a cunning plan; I'd love to go back to 1985 to mothball
a brand new CX GTi Turbo 1 actually!! :lol:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by Citroenmad » 27 Oct 2012, 22:15

That all sounds very good Jim, it certainly sounds better now 8-)

I had the plugs out and noticed them to be in very good condition so I left them be. However I didn't research into what plugs would be best for an LPG system, that might be interesting to change them.

CitroJim wrote:I'd still love to know why it was de-catted and de-sensored...


Knowing the owner, I guess the original needed to be replaced and for cheapness it was de-catted.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by CitroJim » 30 Oct 2012, 20:09

Replaced the vapour-phase filter in the LPG system today. That's the filter between the vapouriser and the injector rail.

This is the old one :o Look at the muck on it....

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And you'd have thought LPG would have been as clean and as pure as the driven snow but no, it's filthy stuff :twisted:

The old filter element really stinks. It seems to be very good at filtering the stenching agent used in the gas. I'm sure there's nobody else who studies stenching agents but I'm intrigued as the autogas stench is a lot different from either the one used in natural gas or the one favoured by Calor for their bottled gasses. The autogas stench is a sweeter one and smells a lot like some rather aromatic cooking ingredient that I'm at a loss to identify. Whatever, it's incredibly strong and potent as I can still smell it on my fingers long after taking the above photo and washing my hands...

It may be my imagination but the car seemed a bit livelier on gas after the swap.
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by red_dwarfers » 31 Oct 2012, 00:29

andmcit wrote:Plutonium? :mrgreen:

Is that to power the 1.21 Gigawatts of electricity needed to make time travel possible?


It's surprising how often Back to the Future comes up in conversation. If the films were never made there would be blank bits in conversation all over the world!

I was just mentioning to Citroenmad how useful it would be to have a hoverboard and to then grab hold of a train to save handing over a large wad of cash to get an inside seat on the train!
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

Post by andmcit » 31 Oct 2012, 00:57

Damned good film(s) that's why: there's a whole raft of famous quotes that
can add humour to just about anything! When BTTF3 was released the local
multiplex ran all x3 back to back to launch it and I loved being maxed out
watching it widescreen. Such a brilliant presentation by Zemeckis and
Spielberg, BTTF1 has to be my no1 favourite film: Christopher Lloyd makes
it for me.
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