Citrojim's Activa, 207 and Bike Tales

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Post by CitroJim » 29 Aug 2011, 12:42

lexi wrote: You should do what Kevin Spacey did in American Woman..............give it all up :lol: :lol:


Not bloody likely :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As you can read in my XM blog, things look very different today after some much needed spannering :D :D :D :D

It just goes to prove to me that anything to do with IT or computers is bad for my health :evil: :evil: :evil:

The XM has gone from borderline restorable to potentially restorable today :lol: :lol:
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Post by KP » 30 Aug 2011, 08:47

Jim does the Lexia have a USB port at all??

if not what happens when dos is put on another HDD and put in the machine or maybe even just XP on its own with no drivers??

fialing that is there no way to boot it off a CD Drive, maybe mock up a HDD IDE cable to an old cd rom and just boot to a windows PE enviroment and change the time, save it reboot :)

Dont mind having a nosey at it the next time your coming past and see if we could maybe get round it :)

Wonder if the MFR still offer some kind of support to dealers for them... ;)
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Post by CitroJim » 30 Aug 2011, 21:44

Thanks Will, yes it does have USB but it won't boot from it :evil:

I've also tried booting a basic PE and it does not want to know that either :evil:

I have one more thing to try now. I've found on the recovery CD the ghost image for its own PE and will try ghosting that to the hard disk direct rather than trying to boot the Lexia from the recovery disk.

That means stripping the Lexia totally (again) to get the hard disk out... Terrible design as the hard disk is buried in the depths of it and literally it has to be stripped to the last screw to get it out..

That's a job for later....

I'll post a picture of a disembowelled Lexia next time I do the job and you'll see the thing was desigend by the same bloke who designed the XM :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by CitroJim » 14 Nov 2011, 22:02

Just renewed my insurance for another year. Admiral were admirable as always and came up with such a good deal for both me and Robyn that to keep the V6 off the road became affordable so I will be keeping all three on the road for the next year :-D

By way of celebration I brought the V6 out of hibernation this evening and took her for a spin. I've not been near the V6 since I've had Rattiva and it was lovely to drive her for a change... I'd almost forgotten what a lovely car the V6 is.

I find it good to have a rest from one of the cars occasionally...
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Post by CitroJim » 19 Nov 2011, 22:41

What a bloody week :evil: Work has been manic and every evening after work I have been so brain-dead and exhausted as to be next to useless.

However, I did manage to get to the post office to re-tax the V6. I had to go to the Post Office because I can't do it on-line because, it seems, my tax and insurance expires on the same day (30 Nov) and despite having a new certificate valid to 30/11/2012 that's not seen by the on-line service. It was acceptable in the Post Office, thank goodness. Robyn (or more likely I) will have the same problem taxing her 206 as the same conditions apply. DVLA still have a bit to get right yet :x

I thought I'd wasted my money spending £215 on tax for the V6 today. I went out, after writing the CCC column and submitting it a day late and did the weekly checks on the cars. Went to start V6. She fired, spluttered, coughed and died. She'd not restart and it seemed to my ears that she did not sound right cranking. I was worried the timing belt had gone or slipped. Then I couldn't hear the fuel pump priming. Much fruitless checking of voltages, the immobiliser and double relays shed no light.

I got the ELIT out. It could 'talk' to the engine ECU. No faults and all actuator tests passed, including fuel pump, injectors and coil. Still not a hint of a start. I wanted to check timing and rather than pull the cam covers off, I pulled the coil pack off and popped out the front bank spark plugs. They were wet with petrol. I then noted the cam position through the oil filler and measured the depth of the pistons from the bottoms of the plug wells and compared this with my spare engine. Timing seemed OK.

I swapped coils. Still no start. I checked the coolant temperature sensor. ELIT said 11 degrees. That seemed OK. Re-ran the actuator tests. OK.

Tried another start and it was trying occasionally. I opened the accellerator wide and she fired, ran a bit and died. Repeated for longer with foot to the floor and after a good deal of churning she fired, ran, blew a massive cloud of what I reckon was unburned petrol out of the exhaust, much to the shock of some innocent passers-by :lol: and she was away. Foot off and she was idling a treat - as if nothing had ever happened.

I let her warm up and then stopped her and swapped the coils backs. Started fine. And so she has since. I took her for a long run this evening and all is perfect again.

I think I know what the problem was. On Thursday I wanted, for reasons that will be come apparent in Rattiva's blog, to see how much air cam out of the demist vents with the fan running at full speed. I fired up the V6, did the check and switched off. In all the engine ran for about 45 seconds. I know this is not good and i should have ran her long enough to warm but I was tired and in a hurry.

I'm sure that was what caused all the problems today. Moral is, if you start up on a cold evening make sure the engine runs up to temperature. Thinking back I've had the same thing happen on an Activa way back in the past.

All I know is it wasted about three hours today and goodness only knows how much petrol. On a positive note, she has a jolly good battery :-D
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Tales

Post by myglaren » 20 Nov 2011, 15:39

Your experience is very similar to that of my brother with his BMW.
He started it to move it further down his drive, did some gardening or something, moved it back again an hour later to let his son in then moved it onto the street a couple of hours after that.
The following day he couldn't get it started, flattened the battery and had to call the AA.
He discovered the battery was locked in the boot and they had problems getting to it as the lock wouldn't open as the battery was flat.

AA man knew what it was straight away and gave him the same advice that you have learned the hard way - the ECU sees a cold engine and throws lots of petrol at it. Repeat this a couple of times and the engine is drenched in petrol and refuses to fire - as it is cold the ECU continues with the fuel enrichment that only makes things worse.

He has seen the light and now has a 307 HDi.
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Post by citroenxm » 20 Nov 2011, 15:54

Ever flooded a derv... Its great fun.. Useually done when heater plugs dont work.. The engine spins so of course the pump is pumping and injectors injecting and then when the cylinder gets to temperture the whole lot fires in one go with a great rattle and a brill cloud of smoke...

Of course hdi or di dont do it as they start without or with very little heat.....

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Tales

Post by CitroJim » 20 Nov 2011, 18:19

citroenxm wrote:Ever flooded a derv... Its great fun..


No, can't say as I have Paul; but that really does sound like good giggle material.. Thinking on I have heard tales of back boxes being blown to smithereens doing things like that..

Steve, Thanks for describing your brother's experience, it confirms what I thought it might be.

If it happens again I'd be tempted to pull the fuel pump fuse and depressurise the fuel rail before trying again to dry the engine out a bit.

It's good in a way to know it can happen to a BMW as well :)
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Post by citroenxm » 20 Nov 2011, 18:30

Im not sure a DERV would blow a back box off, its not as volitile as Petrol... Petrol fill exhaust systems ignite right through, how ever, DERV wont as it only ignites when sprayed against HOT compressed air.. hence all the fuel sitting on top of a piston then igniting all at once in the cylinder - hence the knock..

Easy to do on an XUd, simply disable the heater plugs, and try and start one... :-D

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PS: Be sure to have a damm bloody good battery! You need a lock of cranking.
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Post by ragger » 21 Nov 2011, 12:44

Same thing happened on my XJ6 a few years ago, again just a short move on the driveway.

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Post by CitroJim » 08 Dec 2011, 21:26

It's not been a very good couple of weeks all told. I've not bee right since the tooth and visit to the dentist and got worse the early part of this week. So much so that I called upon the medical profession.

It seems to be a viral infection, likely as a result of the tooth issue and I have been signed off work for a week and told to REST!!! I've been a good boy, I have rested and I'm now beginning to feel a bit perkier...

When I was feeling really rough, the owner of Old V6 called to say there was a nasty coolant leak. Old V6 was leaving puddles :( Just what I wanted :evil:

Still, the owner, being able, and with a bit of telephonic guidance, found the problem today...

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A little split on the short hose between the water manifold and the bubble breaker. He's gone off to the local Stealer, ordered a new one and feels confident in replacing it. Phew...

No other news. I really have been resting :lol:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Tales

Post by CitroJim » 10 Dec 2011, 17:40

Happy to report I seem well on the road to recovery now :-D

The owner of Old V6 visited today and told me some potentially disturbing news...

He tried to order a new hose (part no. 1307 KP) and was informed by our local stealer that it was now NFP :o

He then tried to order a new inlet manifold gasket, in case the inlet manifold needed removing to swap the hose and the stealer said this (0348 K7) too was NFP. :shock:

I can almost believe a short hose is NFP but surely not the V6 inlet manifold gasket? That's almost a service item and needing to be changed every time the plugs are replaced... Methinks the stealer may have been telling porkies... Service.Citroen still say both are available...

As the owner of Old V6 didn't want to have me troubled by replacing the hose in this cold weather or doing it himself, he promptly booked it into the Main Stealer to have the job done :evil: :shock: I've redirected him to my local trustworthy garage to do the job for him...
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Post by Deanxm » 10 Dec 2011, 18:04

That would of hurt the pocket Jim, it does seem Citroen are getting rid of a lot of stuff, even for the first C5 some things are now no longer available from what i hear. even the newest xm/xantia is almost 12 years old now :shock: how the time fly's ey! im sure time moves quicker the older you get.

Good to hear your feeling better now Jim.
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Post by CitroJim » 10 Dec 2011, 18:25

Thanks Dean :-D Just got to be careful not to go back to working too hard now I'm better :lol: :lol:

It's worrying the prospect of C5 spares beginning to go NFP. They still seem like new cars to me...

It's a real shame Citroen aren't like BMW and value their heritage. I believe anything is available for any old Beemer, albeit at a price.

But yes, as you get older time does seem to speed up - exponentially :evil:
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Re: Citrojim's Xantia Tales

Post by Deanxm » 10 Dec 2011, 18:38

It doesnt matter what the manufacturer is tbh Jim, when i had to sort out an Audi coupe a while back i realised that Citroen was not expensive for parts at all, i was just tight as a ducks a**e. Wanted a throttle cable cam, unbolted it and went to vag dealer, could only buy it with the throttle body @ £875 +vat, it may as well have been NFP :lol:

I did worry about XM parts a few years ago but now they are starting to poke their heads above the banger trench parts are getting rather easy to source, i suppose banger owners dont like buying stuff and its not till the cars are old enough for people to want to start spending money on them that the parts production/sourcing become viable. C5 owners may have a bit of a wait yet, they havent even got to banger terrotory yet let alone out of it :roll:

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